Alex Chiasson-UPDATE-Awarded $1.2 million for 1 year thru arbitration

[WhiteLight*]

Chiasson is also one of our best all-around players. Very effective in PK. I also love the little things he does in offensive zone. Very high IQ.

as mentioned in the PGT, he doesn't seem good defensively, at even strength anyway.
Not responsible with the puck, bails out on defensive assignments.

last night, he had a Pred with the puck lined up at the Sens blueline.... easily could have hit him and broke up the play easily. Not only does he not hit him, he doesn't even try to take the puck. He literally turned around and started skating the other way, letting the Pred walk into the slot.
I was like ''wth'' lol

He's sooooooft and extremely passive in the D zone.

 

[fringie]

He moves well for a big guy, but do tend to agree he can use some fine tuning to get even better with his skating, which will him even more dangerous. Very high hockey IQ, knows where to be on the ice, and go the net, which is particularly important for a big guy. Hands are really great, I think that foot injury affected him a bit for a couple of games, now he is back to where he was in the beginning of the season.

I don't have a issue with him on the top line, spread out the offence is pretty important. He needs to shoot the puck more in my opinion.

 

[Proust*]

He reminds me of Mark Stone. Nothing wrong with having 2 Mark Stones in the top 6.

 

[MainDotC]

Spetsa 4-yr deal. I consider Chiasson a more-responsible, harder-working version of Spetsa with slightly less offense. Chiasson is one of my favourites and I'm glad he's here. Last night's gaffe was tough but he works hard enough to be allowed a mulligan once in a while.

 

[DrunkUncleDenis]

Spetsa 4-yr deal. I consider Chiasson a more-responsible, harder-working version of Spetsa with slightly less offense. Chiasson is one of my favourites and I'm glad he's here. Last night's gaffe was tough but he works hard enough to be allowed a mulligan once in a while.

He's more responsible and harder working, but there's a bigger gap in their offense than "slightly less".

Regardless, Chia Latte has been solid overall. I'm happy he can hang in the top 6, because that was a concern in the offseason. He's only 24 too, a year younger than Hoffman (who turns 25 on Monday).

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Spetsa 4-yr deal. I consider Chiasson a more-responsible, harder-working version of Spetsa with slightly less offense. Chiasson is one of my favourites and I'm glad he's here. Last night's gaffe was tough but he works hard enough to be allowed a mulligan once in a while.

so you're comparing chiasson to toews, kopitar...

If chiasson is what you are saying he is, then he would have never been traded for spezza in the first place....

he has played really well for us.. he is a reliable player sometimes, not the greatest two way forward.. and brings MUCH MUCH less offense than spezza, its not close.

 

[MainDotC]

He's more responsible and harder working, but there's a bigger gap in their offense than "slightly less".

Regardless, Chia Latte has been solid overall. I'm happy he can hang in the top 6, because that was a concern in the offseason. He's only 24 too, a year younger than Hoffman (who turns 25 on Monday).

so you're comparing chiasson to toews, kopitar...

If chiasson is what you are saying he is, then he would have never been traded for spezza in the first place....

he has played really well for us.. he is a reliable player sometimes, not the greatest two way forward.. and brings MUCH MUCH less offense than spezza, its not close.

Well, when I say "slightly less offense" i'm also taking into account the numerous turnovers by Spetsa leading to goals and other minuses. 10p in 15g is good in my opinion. Also, consider the stats we have to compare:

2013 - 2014
Chiasson 79GP 13G 22A -21
Spetsa 76GP 23G 43A -26

2014 - 2015
Chiasson 15GP 5G 5A -3
Spetsa 20GP 4G 14A -8

There are other factors but he's a much more complete player and much better for this team. I'll gladly sacrifice the point differential for less turnovers.

 

[Karlsson2Turris*]

He is awesome at deflecting pucks in front of the net.

 

[DylanSensFan]

so you're comparing chiasson to toews, kopitar...

If chiasson is what you are saying he is, then he would have never been traded for spezza in the first place....

he has played really well for us.. he is a reliable player sometimes, not the greatest two way forward.. and brings MUCH MUCH less offense than spezza, its not close.

We will see what Chiasson brings in two or three more years, when this trade will be more comparable.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Well, when I say "slightly less offense" i'm also taking into account the numerous turnovers by Spetsa leading to goals and other minuses. 10p in 15g is good in my opinion. Also, consider the stats we have to compare:

2013 - 2014
Chiasson 79GP 13G 22A -21
Spetsa 76GP 23G 43A -26

2014 - 2015
Chiasson 15GP 5G 5A -3
Spetsa 20GP 4G 14A -8

There are other factors but he's a much more complete player and much better for this team. I'll gladly sacrifice the point differential for less turnovers.

we swapped them.. we are still a defensive gong show.

 

[Wondercarrot]

Well, when I say "slightly less offense" i'm also taking into account the numerous turnovers by Spetsa leading to goals and other minuses. 10p in 15g is good in my opinion. Also, consider the stats we have to compare:

2013 - 2014
Chiasson 79GP 13G 22A -21
Spetsa 76GP 23G 43A -26

2014 - 2015
Chiasson 15GP 5G 5A -3
Spetsa 20GP 4G 14A -8

There are other factors but he's a much more complete player and much better for this team. I'll gladly sacrifice the point differential for less turnovers.

who is Spetsa?

 

[NyQuil]

Nice to have our own Holmstrom to make life miserable for opposing goalies.

Expect a few goaltender interference penalties by the end of the season.

If he can develop hands like JvR around the net, watch out!

 

[Wondercarrot]

we swapped them.. we are still a defensive gong show.

facts? really? you should know better...
however in the interest of comparison lets see:

by the time Spezza was 24:

322 games played
116 goals
216 assists

332 pts and a +87

by the time Chiasson was 24:

101 games played
24 goals
28 assists

52 pts while sporting a tidy -24

but of course Chiasson is a better player and fit for us. lol.
its amazing that people can write that kind of stupid **** but still manage to get dressed in the morning, or drink something without it all dribbling down their face all over their clothes.

 

[Wondercarrot]

id like to add that as ive previously written i really like what Chiasson brings to the team and im glad to have him - just reading absurd baseless nonsense comparing him to Spezza is ridiculous.

Even if you hate Spezza you have to recognize this is idiotic.

 

[WaitingInVain]

I do not see the point in comparing Spezza and Chiasson's points.

Understanding a player's individual performance cannot be entirely quantified. Spezza's point scoring was never the problem - it was a terrible two-way game, which only improved his last season in Ottawa. Even then, he was a liability. Moreover, his propensity to make the perfect pass to the opposing team for an odd-man rush and his inability to lead, were equally debilitating. When Spezza was off, he lost games by himself. The Sens are a better team (emphasis on team) without Spezza.

In a way, we are seeing that with Karlsson. However, his mistakes have more to do with a nonchalant attitude in his end more than anything. At times he's getting too comfortable, or being 'too cute' with the puck (hate that term, but that's all I got atm). At least with Karlsson, you can see him consciously changing that type of behaviour and taking accountability for those errors.

All that said, I do not agree with having Chiasson on the top line - Bobby Ryan should be there instead. That line works best when it has a speed advantage everywhere, which created the gaps needed for Turris to work the middle of the ice. Without Ryan, defenders are stacking the middle.

 

[Wondercarrot]

I do not see the point in comparing Spezza and Chiasson's points.

Understanding a player's individual performance cannot be entirely quantified. Spezza's point scoring was never the problem - it was a terrible two-way game, which only improved his last season in Ottawa. Even then, he was a liability. Moreover, his propensity to make the perfect pass to the opposing team for an odd-man rush and his inability to lead, were equally debilitating. When Spezza was off, he lost games by himself. The Sens are a better team (emphasis on team) without Spezza.

In a way, we are seeing that with Karlsson. However, his mistakes have more to do with a nonchalant attitude in his end more than anything. At times he's getting too comfortable, or being 'too cute' with the puck (hate that term, but that's all I got atm). At least with Karlsson, you can see him consciously changing that type of behaviour and taking accountability for those errors.

All that said, I do not agree with having Chiasson on the top line - Bobby Ryan should be there instead. That line works best when it has a speed advantage everywhere, which created the gaps needed for Turris to work the middle of the ice. Without Ryan, defenders are stacking the middle.

IMO there are so many errors in that part its not worth debating.

Regardless it was the original comment that Chiasson is some sort of 2 way presence while sporting a tidy -24 last year while Spezza is a plus player for his career, a PPG player for his career is some sort of massive liability because of one massive outlier year in the +/- category (in a year he had come back off missing a year of hockey. not only that but he was a miserable -20 something by christmas while clearly struggling to regain his form - which he did and ended the last 40 some odd games at a PPG and close to EV in the +/- )

but lets not let facts get in the way. instead we should recycle all the absurdly exaggerated BS crap about giveways and turnovers.

 

[Baby Ryan]

Are we really going to use +/- as a major factor in that argument?

Line mates, teams performance, goal tending, etc has a crap ton of effect on plus minus'. Unless you can include those for both sides, let's not use plus minus because of how much it doesn't include the variables mentioned. Not fair to either player.

Regardless, they are two very different types of players in different stages of their careers.

We needed a power forward like player and we got one who is still growing.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

I would not call Chiasson a power forward in the making

 

[UnHappyDude]

Its amazing how this guy is the centrepiece in the spazza trade and he ust seems to fit right in and gets so little attention. I love his tendance to get to the filthy areas, totally underrated.

 

[NyQuil]

I would not call Chiasson a power forward in the making

Depends on whether you see a guy like Holmstrom as a power forward.

And yes, he's not a #1 centre, but he has a useful skill set that I'm happy to see out there.

 

[Baby Ryan]

I would not call Chiasson a power forward in the making

I guess it's just how we view the term power forward. Everyone has a different opinion on player types, so I respect that.

My definition is a player with strong net presence, powerful on the boards, great balance with a decent offensive skill set.

 

[Proust*]

Depends on whether you see a guy like Holmstrom as a power forward.

And yes, he's not a #1 centre, but he has a useful skill set that I'm happy to see out there.

For years, we bemoaned the fact that we lacked someone who not only would go to the dirty areas in front of the net, but be effective there.... Chara and Neil were both put their on the PP etc. Heatley was pretty decent around the net too, but wasn't a specialist.

We now appear to have that guy.

 

[BigBush*]

I guess it's just how we view the term power forward. Everyone has a different opinion on player types, so I respect that.

My definition is a player with strong net presence, powerful on the boards, great balance with a decent offensive skill set.

ya, he has those skills, but the only thing separating him from being a power forward is that he doesn't lay punishing hits. Thats not to say he isn't physical and doesn't battle hard along the boards and in front of the net

 

[Baby Ryan]

ya, he has those skills, but the only thing separating him from being a power forward is that he doesn't lay punishing hits. Thats not to say he isn't physical and doesn't battle hard along the boards and in front of the net

I agree with that, he definitely doesn't lay enough punishing hits as a Lucic.

Although he could with the physical strength he has shown, just hasn't shown that truly physical beast side that someone like Lucic has. If he has one that is.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

IMO there are so many errors in that part its not worth debating.

Regardless it was the original comment that Chiasson is some sort of 2 way presence while sporting a tidy -24 last year while Spezza is a plus player for his career, a PPG player for his career is some sort of massive liability because of one massive outlier year in the +/- category (in a year he had come back off missing a year of hockey. not only that but he was a miserable -20 something by christmas while clearly struggling to regain his form - which he did and ended the last 40 some odd games at a PPG and close to EV in the +/- )

but lets not let facts get in the way. instead we should recycle all the absurdly exaggerated BS crap about giveways and turnovers.

You beat me to it.