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How is anyone supposed to give you their opinion with all the question marks?
News: Adam Fox staying at Harvard for senior year
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How is anyone supposed to give you their opinion with all the question marks?
Yes Carolina needs another expensive RD...
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They're better off trading for an actual need.
1. Many players are undrafted long after their draft eligibility expires. Some of them later join the NHL, perhaps after a few years in European leagues, college, junior or the KHL, and NHL teams should still be able to sign those free-agent players.
2. See point #1. This should still apply even if a player has not decared eligibility and his draft eligibility has expired. Otherwise, the player could never play in the NHL.
3. This is already the case for junior players, college players and professional players who were not drafted within their draft eligibility.
4. For how long? There are already rules on this. You just don't like the rules because they aren't working in your favour today.
5. Most drafted players never make it to the NHL. Even among those who sign an ELC, very few play enough games in the NHL to gain arbitration rights. Would you really want to have a salary arbitration process for players who might never make it to the NHL, or who might only play less than 100 NHL games?
I understand that you're upset with a possible outcome that might not go your way, but really you're showing very little understanding of the big picture and your "solution" would create more problems than it solves.
Furthermore, there is no incentive for any player to ever opt-in to a draft system. A player like McDavid, for example, (and the same holds true for every other player) could simply choose to not opt-in, wait for his draft eligibility to expire, and then sign as a free agent with his choice of the teams that might offer him a contract. In the case of McDavid, that would be every team. For a player who would have been a second-round draft pick, fewer teams; and for a player who would have been a sixth- or seventh-round, perhaps none. At any rate, it would destroy the entire entry draft system and would create a much freer market it (but still not a totally free market) for undrafted players.
The NBA allows a player to opt-in to early draft eligibility. All other players are automatically eligible for the NBA draft at the usual age. As with the NHL and the NFL, the draft pool consists of all undrafted players according to age and there is no possibility of a player avoiding or escaping draft eligibility.
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Do you have difficulty understanding that this is a trade involving a 3rd team?
You're the one proposing the move. You fill in the blanks and find the third team.
I refuse.
ok how about:
How about:
Fox to Rangers
Shattenkirk to Blues
Fabbri + 5th rounder to Carolina
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Blues traded Shattenkirk because they have Pie and Parayko. Not a great fit. I think edmonton needs an offensive RHD, but didnt Shattenkirk nix trades to canadian teams?
Shatt used to produce good numbers there, they might want him back with Meester becoming UFA after this season.
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I am not giving up a first, unless it's one of our conditional first that we feel might not happen... Until Fox comes out and says he wants to play for the NYR, weather next year, or after college, I'm not parting with an asset that valuable. There's still a risk we trade for his rights and he doesn't even play for us. I understand the Canes rather not "gift" us anything, although I don't think a 2nd is really a gift, but from a rebuilding team, all our assets are too important for us to risk.
I think a fair trade would be a conditional trade based on Fox signing then traded. From everything that has been reported, it looks like he would much rather play now and next year in the NHL, but the Canes are just not a good path for that due to the roster and their playoff position at this time. So if he were to see we have a deal in place to move him to the Rangers, he'd probably jump on that. Maybe something like a signed Fox for Tampa's conditional 1st this year, and if that Tampa doesn't win, then the Rangers 2nd this year and a 4th next year.
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If all you had to pay was a second I think you’d recover....
He’s already developed better than most second round picks, and you get him a few years into that development and possibly ready to play now.
If all you had to pay was a second you should run with it. I suspect if the canes were willing to take a second right now the deal might already be done. It may still be all you pay in the end. Value with this is difficult to rate, but he should be obviously worth something decent. He’s a pretty high end prospect turning pro.
Haha why would Fox agree to that? Deals fall thru all the time. Theres a chance Carolina just screws him after all of this if he signs, tosses him in the AHL and waits out for the best deal they can get. That would be very dumb on Fox’s part.
Id be surprised if he went for anything more than a 3rd in a trade. Thats what Vesey went for when his rights were traded to Buffalo. Your crazy if you think the Rangers are going to throw a 1st at Carolina for a player they will probably get for free next year anyways
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Buffalo bought about three months of Exclusive Negotiation time right before Vesey became Free Agent. They were very unlikely to get him to sign, but felt like taking a longshot. Not in any way comparable to Fox situation.
Fox seems more dead-set on playing in the NHL next year than he is dead-set on playing for the Rangers. I think his list is probably limited, but it wouldn't shock me to see him dealt to the Islanders or Boston if the Rangers won't meet the cost for him to play in the NHL next year.
That's great and all, but they'll have pie, parayko and shattenkirk all as RHD in this scenario. Seems like a lot of money for a bottom pair RHD( whichever one it is) on a team that has more obvious needs, that's all.
Once again, if a blue chip prospect is willing to do this to your team and take the massive hit to their career earnings, that's their choice, and the team has no one to blame but them selves for being that unnatractive
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It's certainly not in NYR's interest to have Canes sign him, let him burn the first year off his ELC now and then get him in a trade. They'd much rather have him for a full 3 years of ELC.
Can someone clarify..... is he planning to finish harvard regardless?
Or is he willing to sign now if he can play next season?
Or is he willing to sign now if he can play next season?
Nobody knew where Vesey was going. Buffalo had just as good of a shot as the Rangers at that point. It wasn't a longshot at all.
I don't think he is dead set on the Rangers either. I think its just assumed because it seems like every top end college free agent ends up there. Wouldn't shock me to see Boston or NYI involved either. But as a Rangers fan I would be rattled if they gave up anything more than a 3rd for him
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Nobody knows. That's why it's risky. Insiders believe he wants to play in the NHL, and with the Rangers, or a select few teams, and college is a fall back option, but Fox hasn't given details
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Vesey had already turned down NSH offering max ELC with first year immediately burned upon signing. It's obvious he had a list of favorites that could sign him, and in those speculations it was felt that BUF was too far away from the Atlantic Ocean. I think BOS was thought a front-runner.
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