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Lol yep their progression has almost been identical
Lol yep their progression has almost been identicalView attachment 227351
Hard to see the pictures of Pavelski, Couture, and Thornton linemates versus Strome, Spooner, and Lucic in year 3 on that graph.Lol yep their progression has almost been identicalView attachment 227351
If he had progression like Meiers did then he probably wouldn't have had those linemates.Hard to see the pictures of Pavelski, Couture, and Thornton linemates versus Strome, Spooner, and Lucic in year 3 on that graph.
Hard to see the pictures of Pavelski, Couture, and Thornton linemates versus Strome, Spooner, and Lucic in year 3 on that graph.
Context matters, is my point.If he had progression like Meiers did then he probably wouldn't have had those linemates.
Edit : Also that’s not the point. The point is they haven’t been similar.
On the other hand he also produced at a decent rate with RNH. His 1.49 pts/60 would translate into about 28 5 vs 5 points over a typical season. It's not great but is also quite reasonable for a guy his age. And with McDavid his number were even better at 1.8 pts/60. In fact over the three years he has been an Oiler he had 2.06 pts/60 with McDavid in a little over 400 minutes. That's solid top 6 numbers.Pulju was a few minutes shy of playing half of his minutes last season with RNH.
He played nearly three times more with RNH than he did Strome and Spooner combined.
This stupid "only played on the 4th line with scrubs" narrative needs to die.
no, Calgary did not.
Bennett has always been used in a 3rd line checking role.
And no, I don't see that JP was given top 6 minutes - only a few shifts on top line and right back to 3rd 4th line
I’m not a big per 60 guy. Production doesn’t just stay equal the more minutes you play. These small samples skew the numbers.On the other hand he also produced at a decent rate with RNH. His 1.49 pts/60 would translate into about 28 5 vs 5 points over a typical season. It's not great but is also quite reasonable for a guy his age. And with McDavid his number were even better at 1.8 pts/60. In fact over the three years he has been an Oiler he had 2.06 pts/60 with McDavid in a little over 400 minutes. That's solid top 6 numbers.
LOL
Who is he taking a spot away from, Yamamoto or Rattle?
New coach should just play the stink outta JP on the top 2 lines. Not much else going on for RW options
I will say this ... if he's back and he's still struggling with English and getting into situations like not being able to be on the PP because he can't understand what the coach wants ... it will be very telling.
Dude has had 4 years now to learn basic English, and while I know learning a new language is not easy ... 4 years ... c'mon. For a career that could yield him millions of dollars, he should be spending a lot of time learning and improving by now. Millions of people learn basic English every year without needing a huge paying career to motivate them.
But it's the Oilers fault for not sending a live in tutor to Finland
I honestly think we need to calculate the best time, and push him through waivers and pray he doesn't get claimed.
He needs a year in the minors. And I doubt another team will play him all 82 games next season.
It is on them for not doing it 4 years ago, that was stupid and it clearly has shown in stunted development. But at this point, 4 years in, Jesse needs to long have learned, the Oilers are idiots at developing young players and the he needed to long since take over the process of learning English.
Hitchcock trying to put him on the PP and bailing out on the idea because Jesse couldn't understand what was going on last season is unacceptable.
The Oilers are too incompetent to do you any favors kid, you need to get on this. He should have spent a lot of time this summer improving his English, if he has not, it will say a lot.
Trade him for Shakira.Somehow JP got worse every season. Hoping with new hips he’ll turn I tom that first liner we were expecting.
It is on them for not doing it 4 years ago, that was stupid and it clearly has shown in stunted development. But at this point, 4 years in, Jesse needs to long have learned, the Oilers are idiots at developing young players and the he needed to long since take over the process of learning English.
Hitchcock trying to put him on the PP and bailing out on the idea because Jesse couldn't understand what was going on last season is unacceptable.
The Oilers are too incompetent to do you any favors kid, you need to get on this. He should have spent a lot of time this summer improving his English, if he has not, it will say a lot.
I don't think we really know what we've got in JP yet. It's possible that a growth spurt after his draft year may have affected him. I've seen kids being really good, then suddenly have a growth spurt and took almost a full season to adjust to the spurt. It might be tougher for JP just because of his age.JP has to be one of the most polarizing players I've seen on this board, right up there with Yakupov.
You either love him, and want him to succeed either here or elsewhere, or absolutely hate him and think he needs to be traded for a 7th just to get some sort of value.
Any thread involving him is going to be a clash of stubborn people with no interest in hearing the other side out, or considering other opinions.
It's funny really. I think of message boards of places to discuss things with others, form opinions, debate opinions, etc. A place for those with open minds to take in different ideas and see things from a different side, but instead they turn into "pick a side and defend it no matter what evidence the other side presents, and if you're caught changing your opinion at a later date, I'll find a post from before and publicly shame you for it,"
Message boards have too much noise to be taken seriously. Be better if they moderate it more strictly.JP has to be one of the most polarizing players I've seen on this board, right up there with Yakupov.
You either love him, and want him to succeed either here or elsewhere, or absolutely hate him and think he needs to be traded for a 7th just to get some sort of value.
Any thread involving him is going to be a clash of stubborn people with no interest in hearing the other side out, or considering other opinions.
It's funny really. I think of message boards of places to discuss things with others, form opinions, debate opinions, etc. A place for those with open minds to take in different ideas and see things from a different side, but instead they turn into "pick a side and defend it no matter what evidence the other side presents, and if you're caught changing your opinion at a later date, I'll find a post from before and publicly shame you for it,"