News Article: A Lesson in Patience | Jesse Puljujarvi

[OilerSuperstar17]

I came across this article on TSN, where they talk about Timo Meier and how he's evolved over the last couple years.

It's all here:

https://www.tsn.ca/the-forgotten-rfa-meier-starring-on-sharks-big-stage-1.1304496

You can see it in his stats too:

16-17 | NHL 34, 3-3-6 0.17 ppg | AHL 33, 14-9-23 0.70 ppg
17-18 | NHL 81, 21-15-36 0.44 ppg
18-19 | NHL, 78, 30-36-66 0.85 ppg

Compared to JP:

16-17 | NHL 28, 1-7-8 0.28 ppg | AHL 39, 12-16-28 0.72 ppg
17-18 | NHL 65, 12-8-20 0.30 ppg | AHL 10, 1-4-5 0.50 ppg
18-19 | NHL 45, 4-5-9 0.20 ppg | AHL 4, 2-2-4 1.00 ppg

They were both on similar trajectories in their first season. It was in Meier's second season where he started putting things together by being put in a position to succeed and the Sharks are being rewarded with his playoff performance.
JP has the same number of points (37) in the NHL as he does in the AHL in an 86 game differential. He could use some more AHL time but there's every bit of chance he brings Meier's 18-19 season to the forefront. I wouldn't trade him.

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[Spawn]

I fail to see the similarities. Meier showed progression every year post draft. Pulju hasn’t developed an ounce.

 

[ConnorMcNugesaitl]

JP requires waivers to be sent down.

I don't see a ton of Meier or any of it really to his game so I don't really get the comparison.

I also wouldn't trade him unless part of a package for a very good player which seems unlikely.

 

[ConnorMcMullet]

I don't think it is very useful to use comparisons for a player's development. Everyone's is different.

I wouldn't trade Pulju though. We're not going to get a good return, and our best bet is to just keep him and hope for the best.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Keep him, surround him with good coaching and depth and let him figure things out at his own pace.

 

[3IR]

JP has to be one of the most polarizing players I've seen on this board, right up there with Yakupov.

You either love him, and want him to succeed either here or elsewhere, or absolutely hate him and think he needs to be traded for a 7th just to get some sort of value.

Any thread involving him is going to be a clash of stubborn people with no interest in hearing the other side out, or considering other opinions.

It's funny really. I think of message boards of places to discuss things with others, form opinions, debate opinions, etc. A place for those with open minds to take in different ideas and see things from a different side, but instead they turn into "pick a side and defend it no matter what evidence the other side presents, and if you're caught changing your opinion at a later date, I'll find a post from before and publicly shame you for it,"

 

[lakai17]

Meier is one of the best on San Jose. Let's not get carried away. Two whole different players and styles.

He'll improve soon enough we're all hoping.

 

[Perfect_Drug]

At least everyone agrees we rushed him.

I like that we at least have a prospect we can point to as 'rushed', because prior to him, it seemed there was a very vocal contingent that thought; if he was one of the top 13 forwards at camp, he should be here. Regardless of lack of depth, or readiness, or age.


I remember saying a year in the FEL, with 2 years in Bako. Next season would be his rookie year at 21 where he splits time between the farm and big club.

And the only thing a lot of people could fixate on was draft position, who was drafted right after etc, give him 9 games... as a 17 year old.. if he treads water keep him.

Now we have a 21 year old who 'should have been' a rookie this upcoming season, with shattered confidence, coming off his ELC, and can no longer be developed on the farm.

 

[Todd from Leduc]

Somehow JP got worse every season. Hoping with new hips he’ll turn I tom that first liner we were expecting.

 

[PaPaDee]

I don't think it is very useful to use comparisons for a player's development. Everyone's is different.

I wouldn't trade Pulju though. We're not going to get a good return, and our best bet is to just keep him and hope for the best.

The problem with keeping him is that he takes up a valuable roster spot. If he’s not going to bring anything to the table, probably better off moving on and finding a player that can atleast contribute.

 

[yukoner88]

Maybe with someone like Holland around and who ever is hired to be the coach, they can give him a direction to develop in. We forget that McClellan doesn't have the greatest reputation when it comes to communication and some guys were justice told to figure it out.

Hitchcock seemed to really like JP but I'm guessing he played through the hip injury for a while, which may explain why he wasn't taking anything by the horns.

Let's see how he looks when we get to training camp

 

[frag2]

JP has to be one of the most polarizing players I've seen on this board, right up there with Yakupov.

You either love him, and want him to succeed either here or elsewhere, or absolutely hate him and think he needs to be traded for a 7th just to get some sort of value.

Any thread involving him is going to be a clash of stubborn people with no interest in hearing the other side out, or considering other opinions.

It's funny really. I think of message boards of places to discuss things with others, form opinions, debate opinions, etc. A place for those with open minds to take in different ideas and see things from a different side, but instead they turn into "pick a side and defend it no matter what evidence the other side presents, and if you're caught changing your opinion at a later date, I'll find a post from before and publicly shame you for it,"

I want the guy to succeed but I'm not gonna be wearing rose colored glasses. Rooted for the guy at first but as the seasons passed by, you see more and more how flawed the player is and can't help but feel disappointed a top5 player is as green as he is.

I don't think its hate. It's just frustration and disappointment...though I could see how some present that around these parts come off as hate haha

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

JP is a classic case of "all the tools, no toolbox"...he's big, he can skate and he's got a good shot but the guy is completely lost out there on the ice...dude should have never been in the NHL in 2016-17, he should have been in Bako or back in Finland

having said that, I'd sign him and hope the new coach can get through to him...his value is low at the moment anyways

 

[FlameChampion]

Maybe with someone like Holland around and who ever is hired to be the coach, they can give him a direction to develop in. We forget that McClellan doesn't have the greatest reputation when it comes to communication and some guys were justice told to figure it out.

Hitchcock seemed to really like JP but I'm guessing he played through the hip injury for a while, which may explain why he wasn't taking anything by the horns.

Let's see how he looks when we get to training camp

Yeah McLellan did JP no favors. To McLellans credit, he probably wanted him in the AHL where he likely belonged. Between Chiarelli and JP's agent they forced him into the lineup, which wasnt good for him long time.

I dont even know if Hitchcock liked him or not, he definitely acted like he did but I dont know if he was doing it to try and save Chiarellis job.

All in all, just a mess for JP. I dont think his agent helped in this case though. I hope he can turn it around. The no more waivers thing is really going to hurt him. There is a pretty big risk that he is going to get Lazar'd. Honestly I just wonder if he should go play in the FEL for a year or two, while the Oilers retain his rights.

 

[StoveTopStauffer]

IMO at this rate you keep him and try your damnedest to develop something out of him. He needs Bakersfield for a couple of years with a solid players coach like Woodcroft imo.

 

[CornKicker]

sign him to a 8 year $2MM per deal right now and then laugh when hes worth 10MM in 3 years

 

[yababy]

The problem with keeping him is that he takes up a valuable roster spot

LOL
Who is he taking a spot away from, Yamamoto or Rattle?
New coach should just play the stink outta JP on the top 2 lines. Not much else going on for RW options

 

[bobbythebrain]

Timo Meier is a bull on the puck and plays like a power forward.

Jesse can't protect the puck for s***.

2 different players

 

[SK13]

IMO at this rate you keep him and try your damnedest to develop something out of him. He needs Bakersfield for a couple of years with a solid players coach like Woodcroft imo.

We have reason to believe he will never play in Bakersfield again. He would return to Finland. And 21 year olds w/ 100 NHL games returning to the AHL to develop for "two years" is not a thing that happens.

IMO, much like Nail before him, he's mentally weak and not very intelligent on the ice. They should simply move him.

 

[BudBundy]

The problem with keeping him is that he takes up a valuable roster spot. If he’s not going to bring anything to the table, probably better off moving on and finding a player that can atleast contribute.

Our “valuable” roster spots are being taken up by the likes of Sam Gagner, Kyle Brodziak, Colby Cave, Joe Gambardella, and Ty Rattie. I’m not too worried. If Jesse scores 1 goal, he will have replaced Toby Reider.

 

[bobbythebrain]

LOL
Who is he taking a spot away from, Yamamoto or Rattle?
New coach should just play the stink outta JP on the top 2 lines. Not much else going on for RW options

Cgy tried that w/ Bennet. It didnt help him nor the team.

Hitch already gave JP top 6 minutes. It was a disaster. He actually regressed.

 

[yababy]

Cgy tried that w/ Bennet. It didnt help him nor the team.

Hitch already gave JP top 6 minutes. It was a disaster. He actually regressed.

no, Calgary did not.
Bennett has always been used in a 3rd line checking role.
And no, I don't see that JP was given top 6 minutes - only a few shifts on top line and right back to 3rd 4th line

 

[McDNicks17]

no, Calgary did not.
Bennett has always been used in a 3rd line checking role.
And no, I don't see that JP was given top 6 minutes - only a few shifts on top line and right back to 3rd 4th line

Pulju's most common linemates over the last three seasons are Lucic, McDavid and RNH.

 

[yababy]

Pulju's most common linemates over the last three seasons are Lucic, McDavid and RNH.

Bullcrap. I get that you don't like the player but you should stick to facts.

Puljujarvi's most common linemates 2018-19 did not include McDavid or Draisaitl

During the 2nd quarter of 2017-18 he was paired most commonly with McDavid and Lucic and scored 7 goals in 20 games

Jesse Puljujarvi - Frozen Tools

2018-2019

Quarter	GP	G	A	PTS	SOG	PPP	PPTOI	TOI
1	11	1	0	1	15	0	0:05	11:06
2	20	3	2	5	22	0	0:09	12:00
3	15	0	3	3	16	1	0:12	11:11
4	0	0	0	0	0	0	0:0	0:0

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Lines by quarter

Quarter	Line Combination

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1	LUCIC,MILAN - PULJUJARVI,JESSE - STROME,RYAN DRAISAITL,LEON - PULJUJARVI,JESSE - RIEDER,TOBIAS CAGGIULA,DRAKE - PULJUJARVI,JESSE - STROME,RYAN
2	KHAIRA,JUJHAR - NUGENT-HOPKINS,RYAN - PULJUJARVI,JESSE CAGGIULA,DRAKE - NUGENT-HOPKINS,RYAN - PULJUJARVI,JESSE LUCIC,MILAN - NUGENT-HOPKINS,RYAN - PULJUJARVI,JESSE
3	KHAIRA,JUJHAR - NUGENT-HOPKINS,RYAN - PULJUJARVI,JESSE LUCIC,MILAN - NUGENT-HOPKINS,RYAN - PULJUJARVI,JESSE KHAIRA,JUJHAR - PULJUJARVI,JESSE - SPOONER,RYAN

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

2017-2018

Quarter	GP	G	A	PTS	SOG	PPP	PPTOI	TOI
1	5	1	0	1	11	0	0:02	13:01
2	20	7	3	10	58	1	0:08	14:07
3	19	1	3	4	32	0	0:12	13:14
4	21	3	2	5	35	1	0:07	12:15

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Lines by quarter

Quarter	Line Combination

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1	LUCIC,MILAN - NUGENT-HOPKINS,RYAN - PULJUJARVI,JESSE CAMMALLERI,MICHAEL - PULJUJARVI,JESSE - STROME,RYAN KASSIAN,ZACK - LETESTU,MARK - PULJUJARVI,JESSE
2	LUCIC,MILAN - MCDAVID,CONNOR - PULJUJARVI,JESSE KHAIRA,JUJHAR - PULJUJARVI,JESSE - STROME,RYAN MAROON,PATRICK - MCDAVID,CONNOR - PULJUJARVI,JESSE
3	KHAIRA,JUJHAR - LUCIC,MILAN - PULJUJARVI,JESSE LUCIC,MILAN - NUGENT-HOPKINS,RYAN - PULJUJARVI,JESSE KASSIAN,ZACK - LETESTU,MARK - PULJUJARVI,JESSE
4	LUCIC,MILAN - PULJUJARVI,JESSE - STROME,RYAN PULJUJARVI,JESSE - SLEPYSHEV,ANTON - STROME,RYAN DRAISAITL,LEON - LUCIC,MILAN - PULJUJARVI,JESSE

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[McDNicks17]

Bullcrap. I get that you don't like the player but you should stick to facts.

Puljujarvi's most common linemates 2018-19 did not include McDavid or Draisaitl

During the 2nd quarter of 2017-18 he was paired most commonly with McDavid and Lucic and scored 7 goals in 20 games

Jesse Puljujarvi - Frozen Tools

2018-2019

Quarter	GP	G	A	PTS	SOG	PPP	PPTOI	TOI
1	11	1	0	1	15	0	0:05	11:06
2	20	3	2	5	22	0	0:09	12:00
3	15	0	3	3	16	1	0:12	11:11
4	0	0	0	0	0	0	0:0	0:0

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Lines by quarter

Quarter	Line Combination

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

1	LUCIC,MILAN - PULJUJARVI,JESSE - STROME,RYAN DRAISAITL,LEON - PULJUJARVI,JESSE - RIEDER,TOBIAS CAGGIULA,DRAKE - PULJUJARVI,JESSE - STROME,RYAN
2	KHAIRA,JUJHAR - NUGENT-HOPKINS,RYAN - PULJUJARVI,JESSE CAGGIULA,DRAKE - NUGENT-HOPKINS,RYAN - PULJUJARVI,JESSE LUCIC,MILAN - NUGENT-HOPKINS,RYAN - PULJUJARVI,JESSE
3	KHAIRA,JUJHAR - NUGENT-HOPKINS,RYAN - PULJUJARVI,JESSE LUCIC,MILAN - NUGENT-HOPKINS,RYAN - PULJUJARVI,JESSE KHAIRA,JUJHAR - PULJUJARVI,JESSE - SPOONER,RYAN

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

2017-2018

Quarter	GP	G	A	PTS	SOG	PPP	PPTOI	TOI
1	5	1	0	1	11	0	0:02	13:01
2	20	7	3	10	58	1	0:08	14:07
3	19	1	3	4	32	0	0:12	13:14
4	21	3	2	5	35	1	0:07	12:15

[TBODY] [/TBODY]
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Lines by quarter

Quarter	Line Combination

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

1	LUCIC,MILAN - NUGENT-HOPKINS,RYAN - PULJUJARVI,JESSE CAMMALLERI,MICHAEL - PULJUJARVI,JESSE - STROME,RYAN KASSIAN,ZACK - LETESTU,MARK - PULJUJARVI,JESSE
2	LUCIC,MILAN - MCDAVID,CONNOR - PULJUJARVI,JESSE KHAIRA,JUJHAR - PULJUJARVI,JESSE - STROME,RYAN MAROON,PATRICK - MCDAVID,CONNOR - PULJUJARVI,JESSE
3	KHAIRA,JUJHAR - LUCIC,MILAN - PULJUJARVI,JESSE LUCIC,MILAN - NUGENT-HOPKINS,RYAN - PULJUJARVI,JESSE KASSIAN,ZACK - LETESTU,MARK - PULJUJARVI,JESSE
4	LUCIC,MILAN - PULJUJARVI,JESSE - STROME,RYAN PULJUJARVI,JESSE - SLEPYSHEV,ANTON - STROME,RYAN DRAISAITL,LEON - LUCIC,MILAN - PULJUJARVI,JESSE

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Jesse Puljujarvi - Teammates - On Ice - Natural Stat Trick

16-19: Lucic, McDavid, RNH

16/17: Draisaitl, Maroon, McDavid
17/18: Lucic, McDavid, Strome
18/19: RNH, Khaira, Lucic