DJIncognito
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Gauthier to the Islanders!
I've got to know who that GM was.Gauthier to the Islanders!
So you are the spokesman for everybody who watches the Leafs? I know that Marner is a Canadian posterboy but that doesnt mean he deserve more in his pocket!
Im pretty sure that many europeans thinks difference ! Outproduce Nylander by 8 points but also made 27 p in pp, Nylander outscored him es. Nylander didnt play with AM the whole season, Am was injured and Nylander was also moved from him. I dont think Marners linemates the majority of the season was bad offensively, a + 30 scorer back to back. The line bleed in defense though, a hint that Marner was - 1 and Nylander + 10 says a lot.
Nylander was clearly the better one the first half and Marner had a stronger second half(points), I think Nylander has the more complete game of them but i cant separate them from what they have achieved so far in their careers!
The Leafs fanbase follows the wind, before cristmas , Marner was the odd man out and now its Nylander after a couple of strong months by Marner,
But with the JT signing Nylander+ is now a tradebait for a no 1 D!
Gauthier to the Islanders!
you would offer sheet each one different but make all the offer sheets end the year the players become ufa so the players would know theres a bigger payday coming and they can go where they want,the year they hit ufa. mathews would be max money for 4 years nyander would be 7.8 till hes a ufa. players love freedom and becoming a ufa 7 years into your career sets you up for a huge payday in the future. toronto can match all they want but would lose bigtime in the long run when mathews went to az the day his contract is up. toronto would prolly be better off taking the picks.
Perhaps the threat isn't as immediate as you presume, and an Offer sheet could be made next off seasons, when Matthews, Marner, Kapanen, Leivo and Carrick are all RFA...
Leafs currently have $47.9M on the books for 2019/20 season, based on $79.5M cap hit, they have $31.5M in cap space.
That $47.9M includes 3 Defenseman, 6 Forwards and 1 Goalie. So they have a significant amount of contracts to sign, including some big ones:
Gardiner is coming off a $4.05M deal as a UFA.
Matthews is RFA
Marner is RFA
Kapanen is RFA
Leivo is RFA
Carrick is RFA
Say Gardiner gets a little bump to $5M
Matthews could easily outplay Tavares this season and be looking at a $12+M deal
Marner could be in the $7-$8 Range
Kapanenand & Leivo if they have good seasons could see $2-$3M
Carrick could be in that $2-$3 range
So, that'ss $30M on the low end.
Nylander is gonna eat up more than $1.5M with his new contract.
They'll still need 1 or 2 defenseman and 1 or 2 forwards as well as a goalie.
Leafs will need to have Matthews, Marner and Carrick locked up prior to July 1, 2019 if they don't want the Isles breaking their budget or stealing a good young player. They'll also need to make some pretty shrewd moves at the deadline, or get some of the young guys to sign big time discounts to stay competitive.
Do your math again. As it sits, if you pay Nylander $8 million this season, you have $5.7 million in cap space. Next year you have 6 contracts potential coming off the books, assuming you’re keeping Matthews and Marner, totaling about $11 million. Brings us to $16.7 million. That would leave you with a 13 man signed roster. That’s 10 roster spots to fill. Just for fun, let’s say you fill them all internally, averaging $800,000 a piece, which you won’t. That’s now $8.7 million in cap space. Then there’s Horton’s $5.3 million LTIR. That brings us to $14 million, which should chew up the bonus pool pretty quick. Even if you off load Martin, it’s still only $16.25. That’s a terrible place to be in, assuming Matthews will take $11 million of that, leaving you with 7 forwards and 2 defensemen that aren’t rookies. Not really sure where your numbers come from.
So they have to trade Detroit for their 2nd back (aka give up a decent asset), and then offer Nylander an overpriced offer sheet. I doubt it.I guess it needs to be repeated... the most logical targets of an offer sheet are Matthews and Marner next year.
But, if the Isles go get back their 2019 2nd round pick back from the Red Wings they could inflict some pain on the Leafs with a $8.1M AAV offer sheet to Nylander. Leafs would likely match rather than take a 1st, 2nd and 3rd round pick, but it would be expensive.
Not to mention they would also need to get their 3rd back from Edmonton.So they have to trade Detroit for their 2nd back (aka give up a decent asset), and then offer Nylander an overpriced offer sheet. I doubt it.
Not to mention that Nylander would have to sign it. And why would he do that? Go to the rudderless Isles when he can stay in Toronto and compete for a cup every year
Why they can match and then trade him if they felt like they couldn't keep him. We don't even know if Matthews would go to Arizona; not all Toronto area players immediately went to Toronto upon reaching UFA.you would offer sheet each one different but make all the offer sheets end the year the players become ufa so the players would know theres a bigger payday coming and they can go where they want,the year they hit ufa. mathews would be max money for 4 years nyander would be 7.8 till hes a ufa. players love freedom and becoming a ufa 7 years into your career sets you up for a huge payday in the future. toronto can match all they want but would lose bigtime in the long run when mathews went to az the day his contract is up. toronto would prolly be better off taking the picks.
I doubt Matthews will sign for more than Tavares if he gets an 7+ year deal.
Tavares is a UFA in his prime getting his last big contract while Matthews is getting his first contract after his ELC.
I could see Tavares being an upper limit for the Leafs cap structure
For the record, offer sheet cap hits are calculated at a max of 5 years. If you offer a guy 5yx7m its a 7 million cap hit. If you offer 7yx7m the total value of the contract gets added up then divided by 5 so that 7m cap hit becomes 9.8.What kind of GM would give up 4 1st round picks for only 4 years of a star player? Pretty sure every GM would do 7 years if they are giving up that kind of haul.
Also, what if they get career ending injuries or struggle with their new team? That's why players tend to go for term more often than not.
Why is it a "revenge" move? An offer sheet is just as legit as a UFA signing. There could be repercussions, but there prob is from prying a UFA away as well. I wish I knew why GM's didn't use them more often. I guess they just save each other the headache of dealing with it. Then again, why keep it in the rules then???
Everyone appreciates how insanely unrealistic this is right? Even ignoring the context an absurdly small number of players are lost via this route.
Why would the Isles blame the leafs..? They did nothing wrong. They did what they are supposed to do. Improve their team.
they didn't lie to the Isles fans and management alike. They didn't ask ownership not to trade him. They didn't say he wanted to be like his uncle every day for 9 years telling the story that his uncle played for one team and one team only. I don't blame the Maple Leafs one bit.
the only people I blame are the woman who played Jezebel and the man who couldn't keep his word. As far as I'm concerned the 2 of them deserve each other I actually feel sorry for leaf fans. Those 2 bring a truckload of bad Karma with them. The whole LA recruitment was a sham. Dallas. San Jose. Boston were used too
Mats explicitly said he didn't want to go to another organization mid-season.
He then went on to sign with Vancouver mid-season.
Mats had a great Toronto Maple Leafs career but I'll never forget.
I'll believe it when I see it. That being said, if Marner and Matthews get to the point of not having been signed and being RFAs I could see a team putting pressure on the Leafs by making an offer to one of them.