Prospect Info: 6th Overall Pick Moritz Seider, Defence, DEL

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  1. Winger98

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    If Seider can learn Blake's devastating Butt Check he could be a real beast out there. It sounds funny, but Blake was a big, heavy guy and hits that looked like they should be just average rubs against the boards would end up rattling the glass and leaving a guy on the ice. The guy hit hard.
     
  2. Gniwder

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    The hip check is a lost art, you don't see it anymore. Not sure why though, is the league discouraging that?

    I remember Zidlicky threw a rather vicious one on Tom Wilson and got a clipping penalty. Would have been called a clean hit back in the 90's.
     
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    Because they cracked down on it with clipping calls. Guys were getting their knees taken out and missing time. Orlov is about the only guy left who I've seen do it somewhat consistently. Ballard used to do it a lot too bit hes done now
     
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    The weird thing with Blake is that it wasn't often the sort of hip check we think of where a guy goes flipping butt over tea kettle. The first check in this video was more of what I was thinking of. Then that hit on Jochen Hecht where it looked like Blake was made setting up for a hip check and instead just hit Hecht in the head with his butt?



    If Seider develops that sort of mean streak, I will be a very very happy Wings fan.
     
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    Fetisov was superb at the hip check in the DPE.
     
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    Welp now that his season is done, do you guys still stand by these flaming hot takes or has he changed your mind? I'm definitely happy they didnt take York or Harley over him lol
     
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    I will admit my Cam York comment looks ridiculous right now, and that of course I'm happy with Seider. I've always been CHL biased based on exposure, so Seider to me was a bit of an unknown. Of course I knew he was rising, but at the time of the draft, most lists had him as a mid first round pick.

    I still don't know if it was the right pick though, there are some good players taken after him. Time will tell, and Seider still has a lot of work to do to justify the pick. He had a good year in GR, and got better as the season rolled along. I still don't know if Seider has top pair upside though. I like his patience with the puck and how he doesnt panic. I like his physicality, and I like his skating. I don't know if he's going to put up crazy offensive numbers.
     
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    Not sure what his ceiling is, but much happier about this pick now than I was. But, that's why they get paid millions of dollars to do it.
     
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    Yes and no, actually.

    On the one hand, I'm thrilled that Seider has (thus far) exceeded expectations for development, and the pick (again, thus far) looks much better now than on draft day.

    On the other, I will forever be hesitant to draft a player that early that has half the sample size to evaluate, compared to leagues on this size of the pond.

    I'll gladly be wrong every time if it means this the current staff builds a phenomenal roster. But I won't apologize for questioning it at the time.

    EDIT: And to clarify, I don't care what ethnicity a player has. If the DEL played 80 games and the OHL played 25, I'd be hesitant to use a top ten pick on an American.
     
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    So you would always be hesitant about drafting an NCAA player that high? Or a really good player that missed time hurt in the OHL?

    I get theres question marks but you basically just said youre going to be hesitant about anyone that didnt play a full healthy season in the CHL
     
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    When I say hesitant, it's more of a tiebreaker kinda thing.

    If a guy puts up 2.5ppg or is essentially a Hart Trophy winner for his league over 25-30 games, that's one thing. It's obvious he's tearing it up more than anybody else. But if two guys are similar in ranking, while one does it over a longer stretch, it's going to be very difficult for me to not go with the larger sample size, at least with a top ten pick.

    Think Dahlin vs Podkolzin. One guy was a no-brainer, even over a shorter season, while the other had question marks to begin with, let alone with a smaller sample size to base your guess on.

    So yeah, if there's a mix of guys all around the same level, I will always and forever hesitate to go with the guy doing it over a shorter season. That doesn't mean never, but it does give me pause.
     
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    I wonder if the decision to draft Seider was influenced by our success with Hronek. Similar situation - limited minutes in a men's league.
     
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    I wanted C Dylan Cozens so, idk I'm less disappointed now than draft night. Cozens isn't bad or taild off or anything it's just Seider is a lot better than I thought, and I even said draft night, don't like the pick but ... " In Yzerman we Trust."

    Year one Yzerman is not giving the haters any fuel with this selection so far.

    But, I don't think Red Wings would be in a bad situation either way right now(drafting Cozens or Seider) both players look to be on the fast track to becoming good pros/NHL'ers. I mean it's a shot in the dark right now to say which one will be better and have more impact.

    Hard to shy away from the Rob Blake comparisons. He's trending towards that type of player/defender.
     
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    I had 1) Cozens 2) Zegras
    Seider was not in my top 5 guys when we were up. I had a guy like Newhook over Seider. Still do.
    I think Seider will be a very good player. I don't think he's the kind of swing you take when you're in Detroit's position.
     
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    Get. Hyped.

     
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    lol

    Seider is currently a homerun pick with the potential to be a grandslam, and "that's not the swing you take in Detroit's position" ?
    Sorry but I disagree, that is the exact type of swing we needed at 6th OA. One that has the potential to be a game changer while picking outside of the top 3.
     
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    Thats a pretty good highlight reel lol and finally a good angle of him killing Liambas with that reverse hit. Hes gonna be so fun to watch

    I was hoping with everyone being stuck at home that some of these videos would start coming out. Hoping for a hit reel to show up of Seider one of these days
     
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    We'll see.
    But I doubt it.
     
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    Yzerman knows the only way to win in the NHL is by building a badass d-core that gives the forwards a foundation to go out and do their thing.

    Seider was absolutely the right pick and it was a truly inspired choice.
     
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    The last five Cup winners:

    St Louis
    Washington
    Pittsburgh
    Pittsburgh
    Chicago

    I agree that Seider looks like a good pick, and I would be completely on board with a roster built on a great defense. But I'd say the above list is dominated more by forwards than defensemen, and there's more than one way to win.
     
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    Zegras or Seider at 6? We will talk about it for many years to come.
     
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    Then we should get Drysdale next draft
     
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    if we pick fourth and byfield and stutlze are off the board id be all for him
     
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    Take Laf, Byfield, and Stutzle off the board and my choices really open up. I'd even be okay with trading down with someone else in the top10 provided the return is right. I know folks will go kinda nuts because it's the highest pick since whenever, but statistically the guy at 4th isn't likely to be all that different from the guy at 8th. I think it's a difference in ppg from .52 to something like .39, iirc. That doesn't take into account player position, either.

    I mean, yeah, that's a sizable difference over a season but a guy producing like that is also not going to carry this team anywhere. If NJ, for example, wants to send us the 8th and 17th picks to move up to 4th, I think I'm taking it.
     
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