Prospect Info: 6th Overall Pick Moritz Seider, Defence, DEL

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    iirc Lidstrom shot ~90mph, hard but not 100+ like (Chara/Weber/Iafrate/MacInnis). I'll add Timing to your list of correct power & placement greased up shots. Timing was impeccable.
     
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    spit pucks. Lids was an icon at the infamous spit puck.
     
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    What are "spit pucks" ?
     
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    like a spit ball, but with vulcanized rubber.

    edit: you have no idea how much restraint I exercised in not working in a Star Trek joke here, too.
     
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    Vulcanized rubber: it's logical & 100% safe from Klingon STD's. Gauranteed by Starfleet Federation.
     
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    For everyone reading stats, the 7 assists weren't game breaking by any means. Mostly second assists.

    He probably won't turn into a great offensive player but everytime I watch this kid I can't help but fall in love with his hockey sense and skill. Nearly every play he makes is the right one and he has the tools to make it work too. Big strong kid who doesn't crumble under pressure. The comparisons to Lidstrom are clearly overstated, but man does he play that same type of game. Smart in all areas.

    Outside of Chris Terry who leads the league in points, Seider has been the best playing on the Griffs (in my eyes).
     
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    I've heard at least one comparison of Seider to Hedman. Do you see that at all?
     
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    i dont think sieder as good of skater, other than that very similar.
     
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    I mean, that was the comparison I made after watching Seider in development camp/preseason. Havent watched him in GR though.
     
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    I havent seen much of him in the AHL one game plus a bit of another but watched all of the prospects tourney and in the preseason as well. I came away thinking he plays with a lot more of an edge than Hedman does. Seider plays the body hard and often which isnt a huge factor in Hedmans game even though hes massive. But I can see a comparison in the rest of their games a bit. Both great skaters with size, Hedman puts up a lot of points but its mostly because he just gets the puck up to forwards in smart ways and gets shots through. He isnt rushing the puck like a fourth forward or anything.

    I could see a Ryan Suter with a physical game being a good comparison as well. I cant think of any one player who reminds me a lot of him though. Having that size and skating ability is pretty rare
     
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    Have to remember this kid turned 18 in the spring. Considering the typical development path of a defenseman, it is pretty unreal how good he is in Grand Rapids already.

    He makes lapses in judgement quite often still but that’s expected at his age and inexperience. I can guarantee you right now that his main focus is defense responsibility, just like it was in Germany, because he understands that’s how you earn minutes as a kid.

    I can also tell you that there is a lot of offensive potential in the kid. Probably more in a mold of someone like Suter or Pietrangelo where it’s smart and saavy. He also showed a ton of puck skills in the summer camps... probably more than basically any other kid to be honest.

    Praying to the hockey gods that this kid turns into something special, we could really use it. Just have to remember that he’s an 18 year old defenseman... he may not hit his prime for another 10 years for all we know but he sure looks good so far.
     
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    For what it's worth, Byram's production hasn't been as good as it was last year, and all the other defensemen in the first round aren't having super spectacular seasons. Heinola and Bjornfot got sent down quickly. Meanwhile Seider is playing a top 4 role and producing well enough in a men's league. He's at least the most NHL ready defenseman in the draft, may even be the best.
     
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    In the little I have seen of him he reminds me of a less physical Konstantinov to AA degree. I must say though he intrigues me and I hope to see him grow as a player and cannot wait for him to make it to the NHL when it's a good time for him.
     
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    Kid is a real beauty. I agree with the comparisons to Hedman and a less-physical Konstantinov, but I was thinking Chelios myself.

    His IQ, decision-making, gap control, and board work are veteran NHL level good already. He has all the tools to eat big minutes in the NHL one day. He's less offensively gifted, but I think he will have decent numbers in the NHL almost soley on the fact that he will be playing like 30 minutes a night, and the secondary assists will pile up.

    I have two bones to pick with Yzerman so far: 1. He didn't re-sign Witkowski and 2. He's kept Seider off this team. I sincerely think he's ready... but I'm cool with him being away from the dumpster fire (for now)
     
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    Konstantinov is exactly who I though of when watching him.
     
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    Yeah, the shot is missing. But almost everything else is there, like when comapring to Hedman.

    Still need to develop that shot.
     
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    His wrist shot is actually pretty good from what I saw in the pre-season. He needs to add a slapshot to his arsenal to really unlock his offensive potential imo.
     
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    His wrist shot is really really good, it's why he doesn't take many slap shots. It's a very heavy wrist/snap shot that makes its way through traffic heavily.
     
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    If he can get his wrister through consistently he really doesn't need a slapper, especially in today's NHL
     
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    HisNoodliness Seider's a big reach? He does have a 6'8 wingspan

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    I haven't watched Seider much in GR but I do want to say that I think his offensive game is better than some here let on and his defensive game worse IMO. He can lose his guy in his own zone and get lost in no man's land trying to chase a forward for a hit. It's a very non-Lidstrom quality who understood so well how to keep his opponents to the outside without sacrificing his position. Seider gets drawn out and then left behind if he doesn't create a turnover. Certainly not a huge deal for a kid his age but his defensive zone coverage is far from NHL ready IMO.

    Offensively he's better at jumping into the rush than he's being credit for IMO. When he sees his forwards breaking, if there's a spot to fill Seider can jump into the play with the best of them. He doesn't have flashy hands and moves but he has the right instincts and skating to join a rush as well as the skill to make things happen once he does. His production so far is secondary assists but I expect he'll become one of the go-to creators in GR before the season is up. Now I agree that I don't think he'll be a world-beater EK65 offensive dynamo or anything but he honestly has really high offensive upside IMO.
     
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    Actually IMHO, Mo plays a strong D game for an 18 yr old. Lids turned 21 his 1st season with the DRW so give Mo a bit of time. Mo also has a physical element to his game.
     
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    Won't be on the PP in the NHL without a slapper, and he'll be competing with Hronek and Cholo for PP time.

    I don't think it's a big deal if he's not on the PP though, this team needs a D that can chew up ES time.
     
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    Man, if he turns out to be Vlad level defenseman, that would be awesome.
     
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    Vlad was actually somewhat undersized. I think if he can keep developing offensively or defensively you are looking at a Rob Blake, Colton Parayko, a big guy that likes contact. Seider is a throw back in that regard in terms of he likes the rough stuff, reminds me of the Tkachuk boys, it's sort of a special element and it is at this point one of the things that is getting me really high on Seider.
     
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