Prospect Info: 6 scouts sacked -Gare-MACGREGOR -Davis-Hawley-Samenko-Moores

[Johnny McBravo]

Love this. Chia doesn't give a ****

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Worth noting that even though Stu wasn't he head scout in 06/07, he still had a very significant part in that abomination of a first round.

 

[McChucky]

Pro Scouting has been terrible for a while now. Smithson says hello. Amateur scouting needs to be better. Some good picks have been made but there have been more head scratchers than hits.

 

[SK13]

Now, step 2 is to NOT hire his brother Mike for that job.

Boston was bad outside the first round under Mike Chiarelli as well, and we've had enough nepotistic hirings over the last 15-20 years.

 

[AlowlyMcOilersfan]

How do you go about hiring scouts?

 

[McChucky]

Now, step 2 is to NOT hire his brother Mike for that job.

Do explain....Im not familiar.....

 

[Burnt Biscuits]

A lot of people giving credit to Chia, but I suspect Bob Green had a bigger role in this decision they promoted him to oversee all of scouting for a reason and this is him giving his feedback to Chia on who's not doing their job properly. I have mixed feelings on Stu MacGregor he was a bit of a mixed bag, he made some picks I quite liked, but as a whole he wasn't outperforming some other scouting groups; like Boston for example I don't think drafted as well as us. Morey Gare being let go though is well overdue, our pro-scouts were just horrible, they haven't delivered us a solid steal in ages.

 

[McChucky]

How do you go about hiring scouts?

Stu was GM of the Kelowna Rockets I believe when we hired him.

 

[OilTastic]

What about Anton Lander?

what about Perhonen, Martindale, Blain, Bunz, Hesketh, Abney, Bigos, Motin....we needed something, anything, from Stu and his boys from when he was hired as head scout in 2008 was it? and we got for the most part bust after bust. yes, he found Marincin, Rieder, Rajala, Pelss, Hartikainen, with only Marty and Rieder playing in the NHL. (RIP Pelss!).

^that right there to me has been the problem. not ONE 2nd liner anywhere or 2nd pairing d-man, though Marincin has a chance. not good enough. we needed good 2nd and 3rd liners from those drafts from years ago that Stu was head of amateur scouting and really we only ended up with Lander and Marincin.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

How do you go about hiring scouts?

Also, what qualifications do you need to be a pro level scout? 'Know a guy in the organization' seems to be the only qualification needed with some of these guys.

 

[Narnia]

My goodness, is everything going to OBC this OBC that? You seriously need to let it go.

 

[Del Preston]

Also, what qualifications do you need to be a pro level scout? 'Know a guy in the organization' seems to be the only qualification needed with some of these guys.

I'm positive that's how Morey Gare got hired in the first place, or at the very least it's how he kept his job for so long even though the pro scouting was pitiful with him as head scout. His older brother Danny played 18 games with Lowe and MacTavish on the 1986-87 Oilers...

 

[Bryanbryoil]

It'll be interesting to see how Green fares as the head honcho at the draft table.

 

[SK13]

Do explain....Im not familiar.....

Boston's head scout for the majority of Chia's tenure as GM in Boston. Fired when his brother was. They didn't piss a drop outside of the first round for as long as he was there.

 

[oilers83]

The blind squirrel found his nut? Even Lander looked more like a rock than a nut until last season.

For every minor success like Lander and Marincin, there's a Moroz, a Pitlick, a Marco Roy, a David Musil, and on and on. Far too many wasted picks, or trying to draft a specific role player. Absolutely no taking BPA when available.

I'd be willing to bet we'd have a better draft record after the first round if we taped player pictures to a dartboard, got MacT good a liquored, and let him throw.

We shouldn't be letting MacT get liquored and do anything...

 

[McChucky]

Boston's head scout for the majority of Chia's tenure as GM in Boston. Fired when his brother was. They didn't piss a drop outside of the first round for as long as he was there.

Thanks. Makes sense since we just fired the same guy essentially.

 

[Heavy Dee]

Boston's head scout for the majority of Chia's tenure as GM in Boston. Fired when his brother was. They didn't piss a drop outside of the first round for as long as he was there.

Yah I hope he isn't clearing the decks for his brother....

 

[PaperDesigner]

Long overdue for the pro scouting, which has been awful, and yet not held accountable for their consistently terrible performance. There's more of an argument to be made for the amateur scouting side, but honestly, there's room for improvement there.

Hopefully this means that we're going to start to see some good players crop up from the second round onwards. Scouting is an inexact science, but good scouting groups should have more hits, on average, than what we've seen.

 

[McChucky]

We shouldn't be letting MacT get liquored and do anything...

Official jersey carrying guy. That's it. He's not allowed to talk.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

We shouldn't be letting MacT get liquored and do anything...

Oh **** I didn't even think of that.

Mods, honestly didn't mean to accidentally allude to MacT's issues with liquor in the past.

 

[McDoused]

I imagine it went something like this.

Chia: "Alright boys, we've been getting a lot of calls about the 16th Overall Pick. We need to improve the defence and goaltending this year so should we trade the pick or draft someone?"

Morey: "Well we could package it with Yakupov to get Cam Talbot out of New York."

Stu: "Why give up Yakupov when we can draft another fellow Russian in Samsanov? Or better yet let's take Blackwood at 16."

Chia: "Yeah... you're both fired."

 

[AlowlyMcOilersfan]

Long overdue for the pro scouting, which has been awful, and yet not held accountable for their consistently terrible performance. There's more of an argument to be made for the amateur scouting side, but honestly, there's room for improvement there.

Hopefully this means that we're going to start to see some good players crop up from the second round onwards. Scouting is an inexact science, but good scouting groups should have more hits, on average, than what we've seen.

yeah as long as they don't give draft another wizard goalie and invite a player to camp that they can't sign, I'll be happy

 

[McChucky]

I imagine it went something like this.

Chia: "Alright boys, we've been getting a lot of calls about the 16th Overall Pick. We need to improve the defence and goaltending this year so should we trade the pick or draft someone?"

Morey: "Well we could package it with Yakupov to get Cam Talbot out of New York."

Stu: "I saw this kid in the BCJHL and...."

Chia: "Yeah... you're both fired."

Fixed

 

[McDoused]

Fixed

Rofl even better.

 

[Trafalgar Sadge Law]

I probably would've retained Stu in a less impactful role. Sure he made some braindead picks in the 2nd rounds and lower, but he has nailed picks as well (Eberle). Morey Gare should've been gone a long time ago.