Prospect Info: 6 scouts sacked -Gare-MACGREGOR -Davis-Hawley-Samenko-Moores

[joestevens29]

Is there something to our guy from the Q not getting sacked?

The drafting from there hasn't been that impressive in recent history.

Possibly more fuel to the Meier/Svechnikov talk?

We haven't really drafted anyone out of the Q to be honest. Roy is about it. Not even a pick a year

 

[Del Preston]

We haven't really drafted anyone out of the Q to be honest. Roy is about it. Not even a pick a year

Keven Bouchard

 

[Fixed to Ruin]

We haven't really drafted anyone out of the Q to be honest. Roy is about it. Not even a pick a year

For me, the Q is the most misunderstood league but a league where you can find a ton of value if you understand the various factors and its impacts on the teams/players.

It seems like in the last number of years, the Oilers simply avoided the Q all together.

 

[joestevens29]

For me, the Q is the most misunderstood league but a league where you can find a ton of value if you understand the various factors and its impacts on the teams/players.

It seems like in the last number of years, the Oilers simply avoided the Q all together.

Doesn't help when your head scout is in the BCHL and then the team is in love with the Oil Kings so they spend so much time scouting the dub.

 

[joestevens29]

Looks like Boston really was nailing down the Swedes the past two years and then the OHL for quite some time. Be interesting to see how PC proceeds.

 

[Jumptheshark]

Looks like Boston really was nailing down the Swedes the past two years and then the OHL for quite some time. Be interesting to see how PC proceeds.

well if they need a swedish scout can I apply for the job? Already got my plans for Sweden for the Hockey season--taking in games in Stockholm, Jönköping and Linköping this time around

 

[Aequitas]

well if they need a swedish scout can I apply for the job? Already got my plans for Sweden for the Hockey season--taking in games in Stockholm, Jönköping and Linköping this time around

Your life sounds awesome

 

[Jumptheshark]

Your life sounds awesome

I work hard and play harder--my passport it getting a good work out this year--

so far this year
Paris(2)
Ireland (3)
Scotland (2)
Prague
Poland (2)
Sweden (1)
Egypt (1)
NYC in October
Sweden in November

 

[Paralyzer]

well if they need a swedish scout can I apply for the job? Already got my plans for Sweden for the Hockey season--taking in games in Stockholm, Jönköping and Linköping this time around

You got some serious Swedish competition for the scouting job

Oops, scratch that. This was Pre-Chia era. Nope. Looks like you are a shoo-in

 

[aqib]

But why would they listen to fired scouts who couldn't draft NHL players after the 1st round. Would be rather risky of a NHL team considering our very lacking drafting history.

I don't mean that they would be tapping the brains of the fired scouts on who they think is good. Just having those guys out there with knowledge of why the org likes is what bothers me. So if hypothetically we have Player X as the guy we want to take at #16 if Ottawa is interested in Player X we wouldn't want one of the guys we just fired telling Ottawa so that they trade up ahead of us.

 

[Up the Irons]

I don't mean that they would be tapping the brains of the fired scouts on who they think is good. Just having those guys out there with knowledge of why the org likes is what bothers me. So if hypothetically we have Player X as the guy we want to take at #16 if Ottawa is interested in Player X we wouldn't want one of the guys we just fired telling Ottawa so that they trade up ahead of us.

so, hypothetically, if these guys were to give the Oilers list to another team... so what. I highly doubt a team would take a player they are not 100% sold on just to get the player Edmonton wants.

I fail to see how the Oilers' list of favourite players is really all that valuable to other teams. I suppose there could be a scenario inwhich a team likes 2 players equally, so they take the player Edmonton wants just to be a pain. But all that means is the other player is equally as good. Then add in that Chia is probably trading the 16th and 33rd picks.... pretty insignificant stuff.

 

[Floyd McJiveson]

Wow. People bringing up cancer in a hockey forum. Sweet.
Hockey is an escape from reality. Keep it that way.

 

[stratedge]

I don't know anything about Semenko, but he didn't fit the mold of the kind of person who would become a good scout, that's for sure. It always struck me as a purely old boys club job for him. And he was a pro scout so I let their pro scouting record speak for me on that.

 

[Trafalgar Sadge Law]

Is there something to our guy from the Q not getting sacked?

The drafting from there hasn't been that impressive in recent history.

Possibly more fuel to the Meier/Svechnikov talk?

He seems to be living off the Ales Hemsky pick. The MAP/JFJ debacle of 2003 is most likely on him too. Our recent Q picks are Keven Bouchard, Marco Roy, and Jeremy Blain (although the last one was supposedly a Prendergast pick). The fact that none of them will likely be offered a contract, one of them being a freaking second round pick, is alarming.

I guess its possible that the players he's recommended in the past who the team didn't choose turned out well, or that he was right on flagging certain players. I know in 2009 the team was supposedly deciding between Scott Glennie (fail) and Dimitri Kulikov for 10th overall before Paajarvi fell. Back in the 2010 draft it seemed that Fowler, Gudbranson, and Gormley were neck and neck, but based on what I saw in Oil change, Gormley wasn't even considered (and judging by his inability to reach the NHL at 23 years old already, it was probably for the best).

 

[joestevens29]

so, hypothetically, if these guys were to give the Oilers list to another team... so what. I highly doubt a team would take a player they are not 100% sold on just to get the player Edmonton wants.

I fail to see how the Oilers' list of favourite players is really all that valuable to other teams. I suppose there could be a scenario inwhich a team likes 2 players equally, so they take the player Edmonton wants just to be a pain. But all that means is the other player is equally as good. Then add in that Chia is probably trading the 16th and 33rd picks.... pretty insignificant stuff.

Given the Oilers drafting history if you were a GM of another team wouldn't you just burn the list so it doesn't somehow make it to your draft table as the main list?

I don't know anything about Semenko, but he didn't fit the mold of the kind of person who would become a good scout, that's for sure. It always struck me as a purely old boys club job for him. And he was a pro scout so I let their pro scouting record speak for me on that.

The thing is it is damn near impossible to tell how good a guy really is. Most here hated Struds the player, but Struds the radio guy has gotten huge praise on these boards. Enough that I'm sure no one would complain if he was given a job. How about Rocky Thompson? Guy was a plug, yet another guy people really seem to respect.

We'll never really know what these guys really did for the team as they are in a position where they never make a decision based on their info only

 

[Paralyzer]

Found this on youtube ROFL.