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These sites use bad statistical models for a case like the Flyers. They don't factor for a change of direction/shock, a major shock. The likelihood is much higher imo.
GDT: #58: Red Wings 5 at FLYERS 6 (OT), Saturday, Feb. 16, 2019, 1:00 pm ET
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These sites use bad statistical models for a case like the Flyers. They don't factor for a change of direction/shock, a major shock. The likelihood is much higher imo.
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Thoughts:
If you don't think Fletcher needs to shake this team up this summer, this game is prima facie evidence that's it's absolutely necessary, there is a leadership void and lack of urgency.
You're fighting for a playoff spot, against one of the worst teams in the league, at home, and you let them come back from 5-1 because you went flatter than a pancake?
I'm sorry, that's disgraceful! And while Hart had one of his worse games, he didn't give up any real softies and still made a half dozen tough saves.
If you almost get beat by Detroit with an average goalie performance, you're simply not a good team.
The fourth line played well, Varone is simply much better at center than at wing, and right now he's better than Vorobyev at both the NHL and AHL levels.
Bailey skates hard, I think he's understanding that he's got to work to keep a NHL job.
Best Flyer on the ice by a wide margin was Patrick, whatever happened over the break, he's got his mojo, not only 3 points and a great goal, but a handful of key defensive plays to boot. We're starting to see why he was a consensus #1 pick before his injuries.
Ghost also had a good game, as did Lindblom, who is one strong SOB, he never gives up on the puck, when he learns how to finish he's going to be dangerous.
If you don't think Fletcher needs to shake this team up this summer, this game is prima facie evidence that's it's absolutely necessary, there is a leadership void and lack of urgency.
You're fighting for a playoff spot, against one of the worst teams in the league, at home, and you let them come back from 5-1 because you went flatter than a pancake?
I'm sorry, that's disgraceful! And while Hart had one of his worse games, he didn't give up any real softies and still made a half dozen tough saves.
If you almost get beat by Detroit with an average goalie performance, you're simply not a good team.
The fourth line played well, Varone is simply much better at center than at wing, and right now he's better than Vorobyev at both the NHL and AHL levels.
Bailey skates hard, I think he's understanding that he's got to work to keep a NHL job.
Best Flyer on the ice by a wide margin was Patrick, whatever happened over the break, he's got his mojo, not only 3 points and a great goal, but a handful of key defensive plays to boot. We're starting to see why he was a consensus #1 pick before his injuries.
Ghost also had a good game, as did Lindblom, who is one strong SOB, he never gives up on the puck, when he learns how to finish he's going to be dangerous.
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As far as Mantha, I don't see how he doesn't get at least a 1 one game suspension, cross check into Giroux's neck, slamming him into the boards - if that isn't intent to injure, what is?
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Detroit suckered the Flyers into playing pond hockey and it worked. Guys started looking to pad their point totals instead of playing structured hockey.
It's happened too often to put all of the blame on the coach. Some of these guys just don't get the concept that the only stat that matters is the W in the standings. The young guys should look at what G and Coots did in the last minutes of reg time- get the puck out of the D zone; no long shots on an EN when misses become icings; and bear down on defense.
I never saw a Flyer team that retreated on defense as much as this bunch. Stand up your opponent; be a Tom Petty and don't back down!
It's happened too often to put all of the blame on the coach. Some of these guys just don't get the concept that the only stat that matters is the W in the standings. The young guys should look at what G and Coots did in the last minutes of reg time- get the puck out of the D zone; no long shots on an EN when misses become icings; and bear down on defense.
I never saw a Flyer team that retreated on defense as much as this bunch. Stand up your opponent; be a Tom Petty and don't back down!
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Go look at who the 150th defensemen are around the league and suddenly you'll appreciate MacDonald and Hagg (unless you're Striiker).
Seriously, we forget some of the trash we were sending out there as 5th and 6th defensemen some years.
Now by next year, those nightmares may be a thing of the past, but ask Lavi about 2011-12 when he couldn't find four healthy NHL caliber defensemen, or more recently, L Schenn, Grossman, Manning, Schultz. Three years ago MDZ was our #1 defenseman.
And when you get to #6/#7, Lauridsen, Colaiacovo, Gervais, etc
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We jumped a full percentage point to 2.8% on Sports Club Stats with the win & Pittsburgh loss.
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I also could see a suspension for mantha but I hope not.
Why not make the Stolarz trade after tomorrow so we can have a good option? These guys are bozos
Why not make the Stolarz trade after tomorrow so we can have a good option? These guys are bozos
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How can a player have visa issues in the middle of a season? Edmonton plays a lot of games in the US.
What’s your definition of a shake up? The lack of urgency comes as a whole and not to one. Usually that’s a coaching argument.
7/12 F are good and should stay: Giroux, Couturier, Voracek, Patrick, Konecny, Lindblom, and JVR.
3/12 F I think should stay as role players- Laughton and Bailey (I’ve been impressed with his checking and speed, but don’t see him as more than a 8-9TOI checking F)... Varone I’m indifferent to. NAK can replace Bailey.
2/12 F can get returns at the deadlin- Simmonds and Raffl. I’d like Simmer to return for a cheap contract, but this isn’t fantasyland.
Frost and NAK should be up. Maybe a good F can also find their way in through FA.
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3/6 D should be untouchable- Provorov, Ghost, and Sanheim.
1/6 D should only be traded for an overpayment- Gudas. He’s been our most consistent Dman. Not to mention he’s kind of a fan favorite.
2/6 D need to go- Amac and Hagg. Amac is wildly overpaid and overused. There are too many lapses in his game and hockey IQ to be paid and used how he is. Hagg will be the next Amac. Just used for blocking shots and hitting. His skating is kind of atrocious and he has no tracking ability.
Only shakeup I can see is potentially shipping Gudas (I won’t be happy) and replacing him with a T4 RHD along with implementing Morin and Myers into the lineup.
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If you move Gudas along with Simmonds, the team will be the Philadelphia Charmins.
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That was "interesting."
Loved the TK wrap-around for the winner, and enjoyed watching Patrick, and Ghost.
AMac played a good game. There, I said it!
But jeez, why don't we challenge the points when we're down a skater? Seems like the better teams do. Mike Green had 15-20 feet of free ice and loads of time to set up Mantha's tying deflection.
Speaking of Mantha, he should have been sitting after the cheap head shot against G with under five minutes to go. The refs were just horrible.
Provy had a really rough game. I guess it was bound to happen with the extended minutes and tougher match-ups, but the mistakes with the puck have been tough to watch sometimes.
Loved the TK wrap-around for the winner, and enjoyed watching Patrick, and Ghost.
AMac played a good game. There, I said it!
But jeez, why don't we challenge the points when we're down a skater? Seems like the better teams do. Mike Green had 15-20 feet of free ice and loads of time to set up Mantha's tying deflection.
Speaking of Mantha, he should have been sitting after the cheap head shot against G with under five minutes to go. The refs were just horrible.
Provy had a really rough game. I guess it was bound to happen with the extended minutes and tougher match-ups, but the mistakes with the puck have been tough to watch sometimes.
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Yeah that’s why I’m hoping Morin pans out and brings a much needed mean edge to the Flyers that have been lacking since Pronger’s time here, but even Simmer today he should have went after Mantha but he’s already accepted that the Flyers have moved on from him and he’s playing that way, this league can move towards speed and skill all it wants but guys like Wilson keep hanging around and yes fighting is down but you don’t want to be hung out to dry so to speak without at least one player that will drop them if they need to
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I'd rather see this team in the playoffs than not. This team doesn't seem that far off, especially if they can get a RHD and get Frost/someone else up next year.
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With Hart in goal, this team should be a playoff team next year, with a better coach and a couple major moves.
The lines are clutzy and the defense pairs are awkward. Every game pretty much the same issues, a porous defense depending on goalies to bail them out.
There's enough talent, but not the right talent, this game should have taught a few people that defense matters as much as offense.
Some of it is coaching, some of it is players, unless you're inside the locker room its hard to tell.
Defensemen get left out to dry by forwards, too many forwards head up ice for long passes instead of giving defensemen outlets, too many forwards fail to back check (why I love Couts and Patrick),
If Voracek stays, he has to be paired with Couts, he's a totally different player with and without Couts.
JVR - Giroux - TK is a disaster, b/c they struggle gaining possession, great at jumping on opportunities but not making them.
Put Giroux back on the 1st line, Lindblom with Patrick, and figure out whether JVR can play with Frost and find him a RW with wheels.
Sanheim needs to move back to the left side, but Ghost, Morin, Provorov? Myers needs to play, Gudas paired with a puck mover.
So Fletcher needs to shuffle the pieces around until they have a better fit, don't know what he's going to do, but watching them the last few weeks, even when they're winning they don't look good.
I'm betting on a RW and a veteran RHD, whether a major trade or free agency or both.
The lines are clutzy and the defense pairs are awkward. Every game pretty much the same issues, a porous defense depending on goalies to bail them out.
There's enough talent, but not the right talent, this game should have taught a few people that defense matters as much as offense.
Some of it is coaching, some of it is players, unless you're inside the locker room its hard to tell.
Defensemen get left out to dry by forwards, too many forwards head up ice for long passes instead of giving defensemen outlets, too many forwards fail to back check (why I love Couts and Patrick),
If Voracek stays, he has to be paired with Couts, he's a totally different player with and without Couts.
JVR - Giroux - TK is a disaster, b/c they struggle gaining possession, great at jumping on opportunities but not making them.
Put Giroux back on the 1st line, Lindblom with Patrick, and figure out whether JVR can play with Frost and find him a RW with wheels.
Sanheim needs to move back to the left side, but Ghost, Morin, Provorov? Myers needs to play, Gudas paired with a puck mover.
So Fletcher needs to shuffle the pieces around until they have a better fit, don't know what he's going to do, but watching them the last few weeks, even when they're winning they don't look good.
I'm betting on a RW and a veteran RHD, whether a major trade or free agency or both.
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Oh I know some teams run some horrid guys out there. But if I'm building a team he's a 6/7 and not making that money
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There might be different visa requirements in order to work for an American employer rather than just come over for a game or 2
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