Post-Game Talk: #50 | Bruins at Flyers | January 27, 2024 | Flyers lose 6-2

[VladDrag]

I have to imagine they can’t actively be selling frost, but I think they are getting calls about him….Forget my biases regarding Frost, they have ZERO internal replacement for him at all. Nothing in the pipeline, nothing on the roster.

 

[Magua]

I have to imagine they can’t actively be selling frost, but I think they are getting calls about him….Forget my biases regarding Frost, they have ZERO internal replacement for him at all. Nothing in the pipeline, nothing on the roster.

Desnoyers. I remember he was going to be the Frost replacement.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Desnoyers. I remember he was going to be the Frost replacement.

The penciled in 4C out of training camp for like three straight seasons now.

 

[DAVIDE1333]

"Frosts name pops up" - what exactly does that mean?
Other teams always mention names they're interested in, and Briere has said that anyone is available for a price.
However, nothing so far say Breire is willing to take a discount for any player.

The problem is Management's definition of "discount", especially when the coach thinks equal value is a toilet seat.

 

[bennysflyers16]

I have to imagine they can’t actively be selling frost, but I think they are getting calls about him….Forget my biases regarding Frost, they have ZERO internal replacement for him at all. Nothing in the pipeline, nothing on the roster.

You have to think teams will be calling to take advantage of team Dino. But when you are one of the least skilled teams in the nhl with no centers anywhere, the return better be massive.

It won’t be tho , it will be for some 24 year old Laughton clone.

 

[FanForLife]

Huh? What?

Some players can play both sides, others are more comfortable on their "natural" side.

Depends on the player, also depends on experience, tough for a young player to both get used to NHL speed and to play his off side.

"Huh? What?" what? Which part of that don't you understand? I agree some players are more comfortable on their "natural" side... but I don't think it should be a big issue. Along that line, I've always been a "draft best available player", not "what you need" kinda guy.

 

[deadhead]

"Huh? What?" what? Which part of that don't you understand? I agree some players are more comfortable on their "natural" side... but I don't think it should be a big issue. Along that line, I've always been a "draft best available player", not "what you need" kinda guy.

You draft BPA, then you trade to fill needs down the road.
Maximize the quantity of assets, then maneuver to get the most out of those assets.

 

[dragonoffrost]

You draft BPA, then you trade to fill needs down the road.
Maximize the quantity of assets, then maneuver to get the most out of those assets.

When was the last time this team got the most value out of an asset?

 

[mr4tno]

When was the last time this team got the most value out of an asset?

You lose trades / contract negotiations when you value everything that no other team (not even one!) values.

 

[deadhead]

The current management group has been together for less than a season, it's already obvious they have a different mindset than Holmgren/Hextall/CF.

We'll see how they do, but past performance by the FO is irrelevant going forward. So far, there's a sense of coherence they've lacked for a decade or longer. Briere has shown the ability to roll with the punches and not panic. He got about the best return you could expect for Provorov (1st, (2) 2nds, Grans and whatever they get for Walker) and Gauthier.

They're not going to tank, that was clear from the beginning. They have added young assets and seem poised to continue to do so the next couple seasons.

 

[BernieParent]

When was the last time this team got the most value out of an asset?

Ville Leino

 

[Beef Invictus]

Yes the team has lost 5 in a row, but they've also lost 10 of their last 16.

This always happens immediately after we get the victory laps and crowing from optimists like me. Ugh.

 

[Beef Invictus]

The current management group has been together for less than a season, it's already obvious they have a different mindset than Holmgren/Hextall/CF.

We'll see how they do, but past performance by the FO is irrelevant going forward. So far, there's a sense of coherence they've lacked for a decade or longer. Briere has shown the ability to roll with the punches and not panic. He got about the best return you could expect for Provorov (1st, (2) 2nds, Grans and whatever they get for Walker) and Gauthier.

They're not going to tank, that was clear from the beginning. They have added young assets and seem poised to continue to do so the next couple seasons.

They've been together for quite a long time actually. I love this continuity.

 

[Curufinwe]

When was the last time this team got the most value out of an asset?

I still like the Provorov trade a lot.

 

[dragonoffrost]

I still like the Provorov trade a lot.

The jury is still out on that one I believe....

Peterson is a disaster which we knew.
Grans is a prospect aka wildcard.
Walker needs to return something good this trade deadline as was the expected plan.
Bonk and the picks are still wildcards.

 

[Curufinwe]

A 1st round pick is a 1st round pick. If Bonk quits hockey to become a priest it doesn't make the trade bad retroactively.

 

[Rebels57]

When was the last time this team got the most value out of an asset?

Provorov. They got a 1st, 2nd, and a defensemen that's actually better than him for a mediocre, delusional, loser, homophobe. That defensemen, Walker, is likely to get flipped for another solid asset or two as well.

 

[mr4tno]

Ville Leino

This is true but if I remember correctly, they were then stuck with his cap hit for a couple of seasons as he quickly regressed....

A 1st round pick is a 1st round pick. If Bonk quits hockey to become a priest it doesn't make the trade bad retroactively.

Totally agree, but if that did happen it would be so Flyers....

 

[ajgoal]

This is true but if I remember correctly, they were then stuck with his cap hit for a couple of seasons as he quickly regressed....


Totally agree, but if that did happen it would be so Flyers....

No, that was Buffalo. He was 800k the year and a half he played for Philly.

 

[renberg]

When was the last time this team got the most value out of an asset?

Owen Tippett? I think that Florida would like a do over with that deal.

 

[dragonoffrost]

Owen Tippett? I think that Florida would like a do over with that deal.

G is still playing at a high level.... and the Flyers are still looking to replace him.

 

[renberg]

G is still playing at a high level.... and the Flyers are still looking to replace him.

I didn’t realize that G was still playing for Florida.

 

[dragonoffrost]

I didn’t realize that G was still playing for Florida.

He played well the rest of that year those playoffs and they chose not to resign him.

Kinda like I got told a first is a first you can't measure on the result of the first.

 

[deadhead]

G is still playing at a high level.... and the Flyers are still looking to replace him.

Florida got six weeks and an aborted PO run out of him.
Flyers got Tippett, Barkey and a late 1st rd pick this summer.

 

[BernieParent]

Ville Leino

This is one of the rare times I am making a serious hockey-related statement. Leino was acquired from Detroit on February 6 for the meh sum of Ole-Kristian Tollefsen and an 2011 5th rounder. After putting up a meagre 4 points in the remaining 13 games of the regular season, Leino helped to form arguably the Flyers' best offensive line through their march to within a goal and a game of the Stanley Cup (sniff), with 21 points in 19 games. Leino followed that up with 53 points in 81 games but only 5 points in 11 playoff games.

Here's the amazing part: the Flyers chose to not re-sign Leino, who signed a 6-year $27 million UFA contract with Buffalo. The Sabres later bought out the remaining 3 years of his contract. The Flyers picked up a player for peanuts, got fantastic results, and then let him go before he broke the bank. I am holding on with both arms to this ray of historical sunshine amid the eternal twilight of Flyers player moves.