Post-Game Talk: #36 | FLYERS (A) vs. Islanders (H) | Saturday, Apr. 3, 2021 | Flyers lose 3-2 (1-0 in SO)

Striiker

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I agree with most stuff you say, but I think you're way off here.

Some players don't shoot 50 to 60 percent regularly because of luck and guys like Voracek don't have low percentages constantly because of luck. It's not exactly small sample sizes with a guy like Voracek.

Shootouts are their own skill, essentially breakaway abilities in a controlled environment without the panic or adrenaline rush that occurs in a game. Voracek doesn't do well because he always does the same move, has a relatively weak shot, and is bad at the shootout. Other players tend to do well because they have an insane shot or because they're very creative and unpredictable with what they're going to do on top of puck handling skills.

We're historically a bad shootout team, with largely the same veteran forward core. Not just coincidence we're always at the bottom of the league with it.
Not so much "luck" as a split second action between two players. Not the most consistent or replicable thing. Even the best guys are typically only around 50%, hence "coinflip".

But meh... alright, even if we say that Voracek shouldn't go, it's not like Farabee and JVR should be locks. Plus, Patrick has been our 2nd best this year so far, statistically speaking.

Regardless, it's honestly not something I have real strong feelings about in general. I was more just trying to point out it's not one of the things I think is worth harping on too much. It's not like any of them are aces who MUST go.
 

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We lost this game because we had the worse goaltending, for god knows what amount of times this season. Our PP was bad, our shootout was bad. Islanders were only 1 for 5 on the PP, we were 0 for 3. They really weren't much better there at all. Hart went 22 for 24, .917. Sorokin went 30 for 32, .938. Their goalie didn't let in a SO goal, ours did.

I'm not exclusively blaming Hart or even attacking him specifically. We can point out the numerous flaws on this team all we want, including bad D and bad special teams and bad coaching. No team is winning when your goalies are posting historically awful numbers on the season, when they're regularly the second best goalie on the ice, and when .917 is the high point of your goaltending performances. That's around average for a good to great NHL starter, it's probably the best we can expect this season at any given time.

Specific to this game, there were several reasons we lost. On the season, goaltending is number one and even with this game, we had the second best goalie by a wide margin. Islanders games typically aren't high scoring games.
Have to disagree about today's game. Hart had to work a lot harder to make his 22 saves than Sorokin did to make his 30.

Both goalies allowed one that I am certain they would say they should have stopped, but had little chance to stop the other.

Couts beats Sorokin clean in the shootout but hits the post. If that goes in, Barzal doesn't even shoot.

Obviously historically poor goaltending has cost the team points, but this was a case of the skaters not completing the deal in front of Hart tonight.
 

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I would like for you to point out where I said he had a bad game. If you use this thing called reading comprehension, you'll notice I specifically said I wasn't attacking Hart or saying anything about him as a player. If you combine that reading comprehension with a modicum of critical thinking you might able to realize a larger point that's being made.

Larger point is it's not our goalies it has been our defence it was and has been atrocious! If your looking at stats only you would come up to with the conclusion that it's our goalies if they just played better nonsense.. If you watch and see how poorly we have been on PK and brutal we've been in our own end outside the past 3-4 games then you would know not to bring up goalie stats. So I think you need to read your own f***** message about critical thinking lol
 
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Not so much "luck" as a split second action between two players. Not the most consistent or replicable thing. Even the best guys are typically only around 50%, hence "coinflip".

But meh... alright, even if we say that Voracek shouldn't go, it's not like Farabee and JVR should be locks. Plus, Patrick has been our 2nd best this year so far, statistically speaking.

Regardless, it's honestly not something I have real strong feelings about in general. I was more just trying to point out it's not one of the things I think is worth harping on too much. It's not like any of them are aces who MUST go.

Yeah, doesn't mean we have to put out people who are straight-up bad at it either. It's the same reason we harp on who the 6th D is or whatever. Minimizing chances at winning is bad coaching.
 

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Have to disagree about today's game. Hart had to work a lot harder to make his 22 saves than Sorokin did to make his 30.

Both goalies allowed one that I am certain they would say they should have stopped, but had little chance to stop the other.

Couts beats Sorokin clean in the shootout but hits the post. If that goes in, Barzal doesn't even shoot.

Obviously historically poor goaltending has cost the team points, but this was a case of the skaters not completing the deal in front of Hart tonight.

I don't disagree. My overall point being that, once again, statistically speaking (whoever was better is arguable) we had the second best goalie and .917 is a high on the season for us, when it really shouldn't be.

My overall point being that we can argue game-to-game what was the worst, but goaltending is our biggest problem this season. Nowhere am I saying Hart had a bad game.
 
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Just watched, in a year of shit games JVR and Oskar have set a new low, both can sit next game.

And these f*** fwds can’t get one f***ing SO goal to get Carter the win is typical. Kid stands on his damn head and not one of our shooters could get him the win. Altho does Jakes attempt even count ??
 
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Yeah, doesn't mean we have to put out people who are straight-up bad at it either. It's the same reason we harp on who the 6th D is or whatever. Minimizing chances at winning is bad coaching.
I'm definitely not saying it doesn't matter, I'm just not convinced Voracek is as bad of a choice as those recent numbers would suggest because I don't think the others are great choices either.
 

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I'm definitely not saying it doesn't matter, I'm just not convinced Voracek is as bad of a choice as those recent numbers would suggest because I don't think the others are great choices either.

His record is not good recently tho and we have other options. I actually don’t think he had that good of a game honestly. G and TK were the ones making shit happen tonight.

G TK Ghost and Hart were by far the best Flyers.

Oskar JVR Hayes were atrocious.
 

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With all that has gone wrong, the PP and PK are major issues. You aren’t winning anything with the worst PP and PK in the league.

This team is scarily looking like Hakstol hockey. Just getting it to the point and firing. Broken plays result in G shooting high slot and in close with goals. Patrick doesn’t even care about trying to drive the net. They have guys thinking net front from behind THEIR net.
 

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Barzel is 10x the punk that crosby is. Its infuriating that they havent put a body on him yet.


Every fan in every fanbase who plays against the Islanders says this. He’s one of the best skaters in the NHL and he’s slippery/elusive. He’ll burn you if you play him physically and he’ll burn you if you play him passively. You’re best hope when playing him is just to survive until the next shift (without giving up a goal against). Long gone are the days where clutch and grab was a viable form of defense vs. star players.
 

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Every fan in every fanbase who plays against the Islanders says this. He’s one of the best skaters in the NHL and he’s slippery/elusive. He’ll burn you if you play him physically and he’ll burn you if you play him passively. You’re best hope when playing him is just to survive until the next shift (without giving up a goal against). Long gone are the days where clutch and grab was a viable form of defense vs. star players.

Honestly, you need a specialist against Barzal. The average player simply cannot cover him. Someone like Nate Thompson.
 
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Guys were good on forechecks indeed.

There is positives To build on and then improve for next game.

They started with a very good first period. Phisical.

They build up that momentum and it served Giroux. Fortunately.

If This team make the playoffs. Youll remember them they dont quit that easily. Inconsistent team whoever.
 

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This game was fine, normally you'd feel good about taking the Isles to the 4th shootout on their home ice, because normally we'd be in 2nd place or so.
This is the first time this season where Hart looked like prime time Hart, flashing the glove, quickly moving to reestablish position. He kept the team in the game when they were down 2-0 which is what good goalies do, yes, they made some mistakes and Hart erased them.

Hart making those saves invigorated the rest of the team, they could be more aggressive b/c they knew he was "on." This game could have been won by either team, which is really all you can expect on the road against a top 8 team.

G had a great game, but also showed the one flaw that might keep him out of the HOF, he has spent most of his career over passing when he has an above average wrist shot (behind Farabee, but up there with TK and Hayes). He should have 50 or so more goals if he shot more. Why pass it to Voracek when you're the better shooter? But AV is right to limit his minutes, I think that's the reason he looks so good, he doesn't have to pace himself.

Ghost played well, even paired with Morin, who is both physical but wired a little too tight, he has to relax about the physical stuff, just play your game and you'll scare people.

I don't know why people diss Hayes, he's raised his PK game, almost created two breakaways, and is one of the few Flyers who can consistently enter the zone. I'd keep him over JVR or Voracek, both of whom run hot and cold and make their share of gaffes. One reason he holds the puck too long is he rarely has linemates who know how to get open.

TK is good when he skates hard for 200 feet, he set up both Giroux goals, he was fearless chasing the puck.

Sanheim played with a lot more confidence, especially in the D-zone.

There's something wrong with Couts, sure he's scoring, but he doesn't control play like a healthy Couts, that hip must be slowing him down.
 

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