Post-Game Talk: #3 | Canucks at Flyers | October 17, 2023

[bennysflyers16]

4th line , by the eye test got caved in , is that not the case ?

Atkinson was awful last night, hard for me to believe Frost was worse ?

Staal got what done exactly , he is constantly out of position.

And Deady already lobbying for Zamula to come out of lineup when he was right there with Sanheim and York as our best D.

 

[pooch]

I thought Tippett looked rough. Is he the next one to be scratched?

 

[mr4tno]

Your bit on Frost is a pile of shit. Tortorella is doing exactly what you've spent over a year insisting he wouldn't do. Have the courage to admit you have been wrong.

Frost will be traded for peanuts and turn into Sharp. We have a long rich history of doing this -- ignoring talent because it is too flashy. OK, maybe it is not that long but there is a trend...

 

[usahockey22flyers]

4th line , by the eye test got caved in , is that not the case ?

Atkinson was awful last night, hard for me to believe Frost was worse ?

Staal got what done exactly , he is constantly out of position.

And Deady already lobbying for Zamula to come out of lineup when he was right there with Sanheim and York as our best D.

Analytics in this game are a bit weird. Vancouver Canucks @ Philadelphia Flyers, 2023-10-17

Corsi for 4th line is bad, but scoring chances are sort of even.

 

[Curufinwe]

4th line , by the eye test got caved in , is that not the case ?

They got caved, yup.

I thought Tippett looked rough. Is he the next one to be scratched?

They should have left the Frost(center)-Tippett(RW) combo alone, but Torts can't help but sabotage his own offense.

 

[deadhead]

Couts and Cates line were the best, Brink is a good fit for Cates b/c he drives the line and Cates can CYA, which allows D-men to be more aggressive.

The 4th line is a fourth line, as the top three lines jell, I suspect their time will be slightly reduced.

 

[captainpaxil]

Foerster looked like he belongs big easy had a decent game brink looks like a star in the making.
Poehling again carrying the 4th line .

 

[Beef Invictus]

Admit Frost looked like shit his first two games, his only good period was when they were down 5-2.
The 2C job is there for the taking, but he can't be passive, he needs to be driving play.

He didn't. He was better than several players still playing.

You are wrong about Tortorella. Always have been. I can't wait until after he's fired and you start blaming him for the stuff he got wrong as if you didn't eagerly bow before him the whole time.

 

[Redpath]

Admit Frost looked like shit his first two games, his only good period was when they were down 5-2.
The 2C job is there for the taking, but he can't be passive, he needs to be driving play.

Why does Torts apply the "Get scratched if you look like shit through the first two games" standard only to Frost?

 

[deadhead]

Why does Torts apply the "Get scratched if you like like shit through the first two games" standard only to Frost?

xGF
Frost 25.31%
Tippett 46.71%
every other forward over 50%.

SCF%
Frost 38.03%
every other forward over 50%

 

[Rebels57]

Why does Torts apply the "Get scratched if you look like shit through the first two games" standard only to Frost?

Because Frost probably wont kiss his ass and Torts is a pathetic man-baby.

 

[Cody Webster]

xGF
Frost 25.31%
Tippett 46.71%
every other forward over 50%.

SCF%
Frost 38.03%
every other forward over 50%

Allow me @Beef Invictus

 

[VladDrag]

xGF
Frost 25.31%
Tippett 46.71%
every other forward over 50%.

SCF%
Frost 38.03%
every other forward over 50%

You know this as well as anyone here that this type of data is pointless over a 2-game span, but let's just pretend it isn't. Let's pretend that we can use advanced metrics, meant for 40+games of sample size, to say who is and who isn't better. This data that you posted 100% without context, this data does not attempt in any to explain why the data looks like this..

This is probably a much better representation of how people have performed (through 2 games). Frost has been as good as Couts, Poehling, Brink, Foerster. Cates continues to be an offensive blackhole, Delauriers is the worst performing forward on the team, and TK is the best. Go figure.

 

[Cody Webster]

You know this as well as anyone here that this type of data is pointless over a 2-game span, but let's just pretend it isn't. Let's pretend that we can use advanced metrics, meant for 40+games of sample size, to say who is and who isn't better. This data is 100% without context, this data does not attempt in any to explain why the data looks like this..

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This is probably a much better representation of how people have performed (through 2 games). Frost has been as good as Couts, Poehling, Brink, Foerster. Cates continues to be an offensive blackhole, Delauriers is the worst performing forward on the team, and TK is the best. Go figure.

You waste entirely too much time doing this...I don't know how you do it

 

[VladDrag]

You waste entirely too much time doing this...I don't know how you do it

LOL - It doesn't take that long. Just a quick snipping tool, or screenshot.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Frost would have been gone with the others Tortorella didn't want this past summer if Briere didn’t push back on that one. This is Tortorella trying to drive home the point to Briere that he needs to come off his stance with Frost.

 

[Curufinwe]

It would really help the credibility of the people praising Tortorella for benching Frost if they had called for Frost to be benched before the decision was announced.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Frost would have been gone with the others Tortorella didn't want this past summer if Briere didn’t push back on that one. This is Tortorella trying to drive home the point to Briere that he needs to come off his stance with Frost.

they are gunna end up waiving and losing him for nothing or trading for 6th rnd useless pick in 25.

just another bad decision from this Org.

#Sameolsameol

 

[FlyerNutter]

Grow a brain, and demand a trade Morgan

 

[deadhead]

They're not waiving Frost.
They may end up trading him in a package for a real 2C if he doesn't pick up his game.

The problem is simple, Frost as a 3C has limited value for the Flyers, who need a top six center.
Cates provides more value as a 3C, because he can do other things of value.
Frost has to become a consistent play driving 2C or you might as well move on.

They gave him the 2C job last season, and to start this season.
He was crap the first two games. This was a typical Tort's "wake up call," your job isn't guaranteed.
He does it to veterans all the time, why should Frost be exempt?

 

[Beef Invictus]

Frost will end up traded. We will lose that trade.

 

[Beef Invictus]

They're not waiving Frost.
They may end up trading him in a package for a real 2C if he doesn't pick up his game.

The problem is simple, Frost as a 3C has limited value for the Flyers, who need a top six center.
Cates provides more value as a 3C, because he can do other things of value.
Frost has to become a consistent play driving 2C or you might as well move on.

They gave him the 2C job last season, and to start this season.
He was crap the first two games. This was a typical Tort's "wake up call," your job isn't guaranteed.
He does it to veterans all the time, why should Frost be exempt?

Your second paragraph makes no sense at all.

 

[volnoir]

They're not waiving Frost.
They may end up trading him in a package for a real 2C if he doesn't pick up his game.

Hard for him to show his game when he's benched.

How's Tip been so far?

 

[deadhead]

Hard for him to show his game when he's benched.

How's Tip been so far?

He's struggled, though he played better last night.
He's playing hard, just keeps misfiring.

 

[bennysflyers16]

Your second paragraph makes no sense at all.

2 games >>>>>>>> 2/3 of a season plus all preseason games.

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