Boston Bruins 2023 Off-Season CAP, Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk IV

[JoeIsAStud]

WhalerTurnedBruin55 said:

The beauty of Bergeron/Marchand on discounted contracts, that afforded management to bungle the cap with the middle of the roster and still ice a pretty good team for most seasons.

Pastrnak and McAvoy locked up on fair, yet not quite discount rates means we have to actually play smart with all contracts. We literally cannot afford more Backes, Belesky, John Moore, Mike Reilly, Nick Foligno overpays anymore.

Overpay is only half the problem. When those players became junk Sweeney did his signature move and packaged them with a high draft pick in a multiasset deal so it would not be that visible.

Picks used in each deal:

Beleskey 5y/19m
1st 2018
7th 2019

Backes 5y/30m
1st 2020

Moore 5y/13.75m
1st 2022
2nd 2023
2nd 2024

Smith 3y/9.3m
1st 2023
2nd 2025
3rd 2024
5th 2023

Reilly 3y/9m
we shall see if Sweeney packages him with any pick or if he gets bought out

What should be the up coming core in 4x 1st and 3x 2nd picks was flushed down the drain.
Well, after the fiasco at 2015 draft not much of surprise.

Trying to win games will do that for you. They went for it over and over again.

The bruins got rick Nash (bad injury luck), Hampus Lindholm, Dimitry Orlov, and Hathaway in those deals. The only pure cap dump was the lousy Backes deal.

The upcoming corp of
Jacob Bernard - Docker (2018 #1)
Massimo Risso (2019 #7) (good college numbers)
Jacob Perrault (2020 #1)
Nathan Gaucher (2022 #1) (Still early, so maybe he becomes a player they will miss)

Imagine if we had all of those guys as our core moving forward. The Bruins would be all set. right there that is your first line, and #2 defenseman for this season

All those deals and the only thing we missed out on was Ryan Lindgren. Maybe the future picks traded will hurt

 

[The don godfather]

Would one of these guys help ?
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Love to land that fantilli kid.

 

[JOKER 192]

We had just under 5 mil of cap. We had Sway, Freddy and Lauko RFA's to re-up. Hypothetically we lose Bergy and DK. We move coyle up to play with marchand and Jake, and zacha centers pasta and Hall. Freddy centers Lauko. You need a 4th line center and a couple wings if you don't bring back nosek or Nick. D remains the same before trade deadline. I know coyle is not ideal 1c but just trying to figure out the point of moving Hall in this scenario

Just try some armchair GM on Capfriendly, you'll figure it out real quick.

 

[The don godfather]

Trying to win games will do that for you. They went for it over and over again.

The bruins got rick Nash (bad injury luck), Hampus Lindholm, Dimitry Orlov, and Hathaway in those deals. The only pure cap dump was the lousy Backes deal.

The upcoming corp of
Jacob Bernard - Docker (2018 #1)
Massimo Risso (2019 #7) (good college numbers)
Jacob Perrault (2020 #1)
Nathan Gaucher (2022 #1) (Still early, so maybe he becomes a player they will miss)

Imagine if we had all of those guys as our core moving forward. The Bruins would be all set. right there that is your first line, and #2 defenseman for this season

All those deals and the only thing we missed out on was Ryan Lindgren. Maybe the future picks traded will hurt

With all the lousy picks we had we still ended up with lysell lohrei poitras Harrison locmelis in our system and they all looking super solid right now.

 

[PlayMakers]

Let’s assume they clear enough and sign Bert which they are rumored to be working on. Does a team relying on wings to drive the offense do the job? Maybe Zacha has a bit more to offer, but Coyle is what he is, and then you drop into the great unknown of Freddie at full time center, or McLaughlin, or Merkulov. I don’t know, maybe it works.

Why stop at Bertuzzi? Why not sign Bert and then make a hockey trade for a C? Or trade a winger for a pick and sign a C? I'm just saying there are options. We're seeing teams make moves every day. The Bruins have already made a move. I expect more to come.

 

[Fenian24]

Bruins should be interested in Max Comtois. He has a little bit of a Zacha feel to him being in a similar age range and one of those guys that found success early in their career but has fizzled out. Could be a textbook change of scenery and not being qualified at 2+ million means he should be had pretty reasonably

He plays with some jam and good in front of the net.

I think he would be a good third line wing. Biggest problem st forward is obvious, Coyle, not a number 2 center but getting paid like one. Taking away Hall from him and he will be back to his 35 point average as your number 2 center, nobody makes the playoffs with Coyle as their number 2 center.

 

[Bruinsguy613]

with LA getting PLD and having kopitar and denault make them consider moving Byfield and would ullmark get that close to done in a one for one or what do we add?

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

with LA getting PLD and having kopitar and denault make them consider moving Byfield and would ullmark get that close to done in a one for one or what do we add?

Why would they move a 20 year old number two pick on a rookie deal?!?

 

[mar2kbos]

Draft is tomorrow I haven’t seen the easily moved players easily moved yet. There has to be more moves as even with 6mil saved you have your own RFAs (and gained two more RFAs to pay) and two of them are definitely going to command more money. They still need to fill the rest of the roster without putting themselves in cap hell again.

So I want Sweeney gone, if he basically hands over the same money for Bertuzzi as he did Hall, and both centers retire leaving Coyle and Zacha as centers while still being up against the cap. So basically a worse team and still in cap he’ll. That’s my criteria for axing him, won’t be Jacobs criteria I am sure they’ll fight for a playoff spot and hopefully get the gate revenue for one round. Does really nothing for the future though other than prolong the inevitable.

 

[The don godfather]

Draft is tomorrow I haven’t seen the easily moved players easily moved yet. There has to be more moves as even with 6mil saved you have your own RFAs (and gained two more RFAs to pay) and two of them are definitely going to command more money. They still need to fill the rest of the roster without putting themselves in cap hell again.

So I want Sweeney gone, if he basically hands over the same money for Bertuzzi as he did Hall, and both centers retire leaving Coyle and Zacha as centers while still being up against the cap. So basically a worse team and still in cap he’ll. That’s my criteria for axing him, won’t be Jacobs criteria I am sure they’ll fight for a playoff spot and hopefully get the gate revenue for one round. Does really nothing for the future though other than prolong the inevitable.

I think hes gonna sign bertuzzi.

 

[Mainehockey33]

Marchand-Scheiffle-Debrusk
Bertuzzi-Zacha-Pastrnak
Merkulov-Bergeron-Frederic
Lauko-McLaughlin-Hathaway

OEL-McAvoy
Lindholm-Carlo
Forbort-XXX

Swayman
Bussi

Grizz, Coyle and Ullmark out
Sign Bertuzzi and OEL
Trade for Scheiffle
Buyout Reilly

 

[CellyHard]

I think he would be a good third line wing. Biggest problem st forward is obvious, Coyle, not a number 2 center but getting paid like one. Taking away Hall from him and he will be back to his 35 point average as your number 2 center, nobody makes the playoffs with Coyle as their number 2 center.

Idk man is Bennet that much better than Coyle? What about JT Compher? Ryan Hartman?

I think you could easily make the playoffs with Coyle as your 2C when you have a definite #1 center in front of him. When you have someone like Zacha, it’s definitely not ideal

 

[The don godfather]

Marchand-Scheiffle-Debrusk
Bertuzzi-Zacha-Pastrnak
Merkulov-Bergeron-Frederic
Lauko-McLaughlin-Hathaway

OEL-McAvoy
Lindholm-Carlo
Forbort-XXX

Swayman
Bussi

Grizz, Coyle and Ullmark out
Sign Bertuzzi and OEL
Trade for Scheiffle
Buyout Reilly

That's deep and solid hope your right.

 

[bruinmann77]

I don't want Bert signed to a long term deal think that will be mistake

 

[elMatador]

Trying to win games will do that for you. They went for it over and over again.

The bruins got rick Nash (bad injury luck), Hampus Lindholm, Dimitry Orlov, and Hathaway in those deals. The only pure cap dump was the lousy Backes deal.

The upcoming corp of
Jacob Bernard - Docker (2018 #1)
Massimo Risso (2019 #7) (good college numbers)
Jacob Perrault (2020 #1)
Nathan Gaucher (2022 #1) (Still early, so maybe he becomes a player they will miss)

Imagine if we had all of those guys as our core moving forward. The Bruins would be all set. right there that is your first line, and #2 defenseman for this season

All those deals and the only thing we missed out on was Ryan Lindgren. Maybe the future picks traded will hurt

Rick Nash was a damaged property
Ondrej Kase was a damaged property
Dimitry Orlov's trade looks like a pure rental because B's have no space to sign him
Garnet Hathaway was just a throw in with Orlov
Hampus Lindholm is good but not 1st and two 2nd good.

 

[BradMarchandismydad]

Why would they move a 20 year old number two pick on a rookie deal?!?

If we throw assets at them it might make sense. His value is very low right now.

Ullmark, Lysell, and a 1st?

 

[KrugAvoy]

Marchand-Coyle-DeBrusk
Bertuzzi-Zacha-Pastrnak
Merkulov-Comtois-Frederic
Lauko-Gambrell-McLaughlin

Lindholm-McAvoy
OEL-Carlo
Forbort-Walsh
Zboril

Ullmark
Swayman

Not great but not awful. Can see something like this happening

 

[The don godfather]

Marchand-Coyle-DeBrusk
Bertuzzi-Zacha-Pastrnak
Merkulov-Comtois-Frederic
Lauko-Gambrell-McLaughlin

Lindholm-McAvoy
OEL-Carlo
Forbort-Walsh
Zboril

Ullmark
Swayman

Not great but not awful. Can see something like this happening

Donny will get a top center.

 

[RiverbottomChuck]

Donny will get a top center.

Who you thinkin Don?

There are three tiers in my mind besides the unknown.

Drai- $$$ also probably not a realistic option for both clubs.

Lindholm - $$ do we have the pieces and would they want to go to Calgary?

Scheifele- $ somewhat lackluster imo but could probably lock in a playoff appearance at the very least.

 

[remer]

Marchand-Scheiffle-Debrusk
Bertuzzi-Zacha-Pastrnak
Merkulov-Bergeron-Frederic
Lauko-McLaughlin-Hathaway

OEL-McAvoy
Lindholm-Carlo
Forbort-Zboril

Swayman
Bussi

This could work.
Scheiffle 6 m
Bertuzzi 6 m
OEL 3 m
Swayman- 3 m
Bergeron 3 m
Frederick 2 m
You need roughly 23 million.
Ullmark, Coyle Grez- 13 m plus 10 m open =23m

 

[The don godfather]

Who you thinkin Don?

Scheifele

Marchand-Scheiffle-Debrusk
Bertuzzi-Zacha-Pastrnak
Merkulov-Bergeron-Frederic
Lauko-McLaughlin-Hathaway

OEL-McAvoy
Lindholm-Carlo
Forbort-Zboril

Swayman
Bussi

This could work.
Scheiffle 6 m
Bertuzzi 6 m
OEL 3 m
Swayman- 3 m
Bergeron 3 m
Frederick 2 m
You need roughly 23 million.
Ullmark, Coyle Grez- 13 m plus 10 m open =23m

Perfect but I think that ian Mitchell kid makes the team and makes a huge impression. Book it.

 

[RiverbottomChuck]

Scheifele


Perfect but I think that ian Mitchell kid makes the team and makes a huge impression. Book it.

That’s the most boring try the same thing again and again approach to me still. I’d prefer a bigger shakeup.

 

[PlayMakers]

Marchand-Scheiffle-Debrusk
Bertuzzi-Zacha-Pastrnak
Merkulov-Bergeron-Frederic
Lauko-McLaughlin-Hathaway

OEL-McAvoy
Lindholm-Carlo
Forbort-Zboril

Swayman
Bussi

This could work.
Scheiffle 6 m
Bertuzzi 6 m
OEL 3 m
Swayman- 3 m
Bergeron 3 m
Frederick 2 m
You need roughly 23 million.
Ullmark, Coyle Grez- 13 m plus 10 m open =23m

It’s a good lineup and another good reminder that there are paths forward that improve the team. I hope Sweeney can find one.

 

[RiverbottomChuck]

If we throw assets at them it might make sense. His value is very low right now.

Ullmark, Lysell, and a 1st?

On the main board kings fans are saying Zadorov for Byfield so you never know. I’d do that in a heartbeat. Though the first might make it difficult.

 

[BamBamCam]

Montgomery will lead this team to at least the third round next year. They are the best coached team on the planet. Look what happened all year. Top guys out and we win. It will continue. Let’s just see what the roster looks like in October.

Until the playoffs hit then Monty turned into a deer in the headlights.