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News: 2023 Arbitration Thread
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Korpisalo was a UFA so he can’t be used in arbitration case for a RFA.
RFA Goalie deals 2.4m or over (2021-23)
12/22/22 Skinner, 24 (EDM) 3 years/2.6m
9/27/22 Knight, 22 (FLA) 3 years/4.5m
9/1/22 Oettinger, 23 (DAL) 3 years/4m
7/19/22 Vanecek, 26 (NJD) 3 years/3.4m
7/18/22 Käkhönen, 25 (SJS) 2 years/2.75m
7/10/22 Georgiev, 26 (COL) 3 years/3.4m
3/21/22 Vejmelka, 26 (ARI) 3 years/2.73m
9/1/21 Sorokin, 25 (NYI) 3 years/4m
8/16/21 Saros, 26 (NSH) 4 years/5m
8/9/21 Hart, 22 (PHI) 3 years/3.98m
8/9/21 Shesterkin, 25 (NYR) 4 years/5.67m
7/22/21 Nedeljkovic, 25 (DET) 2 years/3m
3/31/21 Demko, 25 (VAN) 5 years/5m
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Historically my Blackhawks haven’t played well with arbitration process…see Antti Niemi, Kyle Calder, Chris Campoli…
EbonyRaptor
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Yeah - it does seem the team is taking a hardball stance with him which doesn't seem to project a happy marriage ahead. I would have rather they come to an amicable deal before it got to this point.
This is a challenge for us fans who see things differently than Davidson. Even given our understanding that Davidson and his team have better take on the big picture rebuild than we do, it's difficult to grudgingly give ground when his moves don't align with our own. While I don't believe in blindly following him likes he's some Svengali because he's human and fallible like the rest of us - I do think it's fair to take the good with the bad and I'm overjoyed with where he has steered the team in the less than 2 years he's been the GM - so I'll have to trust his moves even if I don't like them initially.
Agreed but still takes two sides to agree on middle ground. We will see how this goes forward. For all we know Kurashev is just here to keep a spot warm for someone in the future. But Luke Richardson and Kyle have said nice things about his untapped potential previously.
EbonyRaptor
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Hopefully the arbitrator works weekends and we hear something today because sometime today will pass the 48-hour marker.
And you're right about both sides needing to be reasonable. With Pat Brisson as his agent it's not surprising the Kurashev side is also playing hardball. I thought his ask was higher than it should have been based on his production so if he ends up leaving town he and his agent will not be an innocent victim in this.
Addendum: I like Kurashev and I think he has some subtlety to his game that doesn't show up on the scoresheet, not unlike Teravainen in his years with the Hawks - but I think he can be too passive at times which keeps him from reaching his potential. Maybe this hard bargaining gives him a kick in the pants and he fights (not literally) a bit more to reach higher.
Marc the Habs Fan
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I have a strong belief that as a GM, you have to pick your battles.
There are times you have no leverage and you have to give the monster contract to a core player. Davidson will very, very likely face that reality in 2 years with Bedard when he is eligible for an extension.
And then there are cases like this one. A decent, perhaps potentially good player, who is up for a new RFA deal. If you want a healthy cap structure, you can't overpay these types.
IIRC, the Blackhawks did not have to re-sign a significant NHL caliber RFA last summer. This is Davidson's first RFA negotiation with a NHL regular and he wanted to make it clear that for a non-core player like Kurashev, he was going to play hardball with these types.
There are times you have no leverage and you have to give the monster contract to a core player. Davidson will very, very likely face that reality in 2 years with Bedard when he is eligible for an extension.
And then there are cases like this one. A decent, perhaps potentially good player, who is up for a new RFA deal. If you want a healthy cap structure, you can't overpay these types.
IIRC, the Blackhawks did not have to re-sign a significant NHL caliber RFA last summer. This is Davidson's first RFA negotiation with a NHL regular and he wanted to make it clear that for a non-core player like Kurashev, he was going to play hardball with these types.
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EbonyRaptor
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Does anyone know how this 48-hour thing works? Kurashev's arbitration hearing was Thursday - I think in the afternoon. It's my understanding the arbitrator's decision must be made within 48 hours of the completion of the hearing. The 48-hour mark is right around now on Saturday afternoon. Does the 48-hour thing extend into the weekend or is it "2 working days" which means Friday and Monday?
And then - when will it be announced - when the arbitrator hands down his decision or when the team and player either accept or reject the decision - and how much time do they have to do that?
And then - when will it be announced - when the arbitrator hands down his decision or when the team and player either accept or reject the decision - and how much time do they have to do that?
I believe the 48 hour includes weekends, saw a tweet yesterday that Samsonov's decision would be announced Sunday afternoon since his arb hearing was yesterday. So I'd expect for Kurashev to be announced within the next few hours. I could be wrong though, it's happened before lol.
Marc the Habs Fan
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The player can not reject an arbitration ruling. The team can only walkaway from a salary of more than $4,538,958 in arbitration.
Kurashev will not get that type of $ So there is no decision for the Hawks. The arbitrator's ruling will be Kurashev's contract for 2023-24.
mouser
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While a player can’t “reject” an arbitration award the player isn't required to sign the arbitration awarded contract. Player is still free to sign in another league such one of the European leagues.
The player would not be allowed to play in the NHL again until they either (a) sign a contract in some future season honoring the arbitration award, or (b) the players rights (and thus arbitration award obligation) are renounced by the team.
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Additional detail: in this scenario the NHL rights to the player can still be traded and the arbitration award obligation travels with the Player rights to the new Team. So if a player went to arbitration with Team A and refused to sign the deal, Team A could later trade the player rights to Team B and the player would still be required to sign the arbitration award contract with Team B to play in the NHL. Neither Team A or B can ignore the arbitration award and sign the player to a different contract without first renouncing their NHL rights, making the player a UFA.
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EbonyRaptor
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Was the arbitrator's name Bueller?
Blackhawkswincup
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It's been over 48 hours since Kurashev hearing.
I was under impression the arbitrator was to make decision within 48 hours of end of hearing
Marc the Habs Fan
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The longer this goes, the more I suspect the 48 hour window is from Monday to Friday and excludes weekends.
EbonyRaptor
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It makes me wonder if beat writers and the so-called experts who keep the masses informed actually know what the details are or care enough to find out.
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They generally don't know and don't care I suspect... it's usually somewhat rare for more than 1 case a year to actually go to a hearing? So I can sort of forgive them... and us... and everybody... for not really knowing the details of the process. The poor poor arbitrator probably never imagined he'd actually have back-to-back cases like this, the sudden unprecedented workload might have overwhelmed them.
Where I'm a little more surprised is about the Toronto media not really having a scoop on the Matt Murray situation yet. If they think we already KNOW that he's healthy (buy-out eligible) or LTIRable... I'm not sure that we do. And it's kind of important for the Leafs, in conjunction with the Samsonov arbitration. I'm not too surprised that MOST teams' media is kind of ignoring this. But I'm a little surprised that Toronto media is also?
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