News: 2023 Arbitration Thread

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Alphabetical	By Team	By Date
Barron, Morgan - WPG - August 2 Signed July 17	ANA - Terry, Troy - August 2 Signed August 2	July 20 - Cates, Noah - PHI Signed July 10
Borgen, Will - SEA - July 26 Signed July 7	ARI - McBain, Jack - July 30 Signed July 30	July 20 - Duhaime, Brandon - MIN Signed July 16
Cates, Noah - PHI - July 20 Signed July 10	BOS - Frederic, Trent - August 1 Signed August 1	July 20 - Kurashev, Philipp - CHI Arbitration award accepted July 23
Colton, Ross - COL - July 27 Signed July 17	BOS - Mitchell, Ian - July 26 Signed July 10	July 20 - Toropchenko, Alexei - STL Signed July 15
DeBrincat, Alex** - OTT - July 31 Signed July 7	BOS - Swayman, Jeremy - July 30 Arbitration award accepted August 1	July 21 - Samsonov, Ilya - TOR Arbitration award accepted July 23
Duhaime, Brandon - MIN - July 20 Signed July 16	CHI - Kurashev, Philipp - July 20 Arbitration award accepted July 23	July 24 - Dunn, Vince - SEA Signed July 21
Dunn, Vince - SEA - July 24 Signed July 21	COL - Colton, Ross - July 27 Signed July 17	July 24 - Howden, Brett - VGK Signed July 19
Fleury, Cale - SEA - July 28 Signed July 9	EDM - McLeod, Ryan - August 4 Signed August 1	July 24 - Jeannot, Tanner - TBL Signed July 15
Frederic, Trent - BOS - August 1 Signed August 1	MIN - Duhaime, Brandon - July 20 Signed July 16	July 26 - Borgen, Will - SEA Signed July 7
Gustavsson, Filip - MIN - August 4 Signed July 31	MIN - Gustavsson, Filip - August 4 Signed July 31	July 26 - Mitchell, Ian - BOS Signed July 10
Howden, Brett - VGK - July 24 Signed July 19	NJD - Meier, Timo** Signed July 7	July 27 - Colton, Ross - COL Signed July 17
Jeannot, Tanner - TBL - July 24 Signed July 15	NYR - Scanlin, Brandon - August 4 Signed August 1	July 28 - Fleury, Cale - SEA Signed July 9
Kurashev, Philipp - CHI - July 20 Arbitration award accepted July 23	OTT - DeBrincat, Alex** - July 31 Signed July 9	July 28 - Vilardi, Gabriel - WPG Signed July 19
McBain, Jack - ARI - July 30 Signed July 30	PHI - Cates, Noah - July 20 Signed July 10	July 30 - McBain, Jack - ARI Signed July 30
McLeod, Ryan - EDM - August 4 Signed August 1	PIT - O'Connor, Drew - August 4 Signed August 2	July 30 - Swayman, Jeremy - BOS Arbitration award accepted August 1
Meier, Timo** - NJD Signed July 7	STL - Toropchenko, Alexei - July 20 Signed July 15	July 31 - DeBrincat, Alex** - OTT Signed July 9
Mitchell, Ian - BOS - Jul 26 Signed July 10	SEA - Borgen, Will - July 26 Signed July 7	August 1 - Frederic, Trent - BOS Signed August 1
O'Connor, Drew - PIT - August 4 Signed August 2	SEA - Dunn, Vince - July 24 Signed July 21	August 2 - Barron, Morgan - WPG Signed July 17
Samsonov, Ilya - TOR - July 21 Arbitration award accepted July 23	SEA - Fleury, Cale - July 28 Signed July 9	August 2 - Terry, Troy - ANA Signed August 2
Scanlin, Brandon - NYR - August 4 Signed August 1	TBL - Jeannot, Tanner - July 2 Signed July 15	August 4 - Gustavsson, Filip - MIN Signed July 31
Swayman, Jeremy - BOS - July 30 Arbitration award accepted August 1	TOR - Samsonov, Ilya - July 21 Arbitration award accepted July 23	August 4 - McLeod, Ryan - EDM Signed August 1
Terry, Troy - ANA - August 2 Signed August 2	VGK - Howden, Brett - July 24 Signed July 19	August 4 - O'Connor, Drew - PIT Signed August 2
Toropchenko, Alexei - STL - July 20 Signed July 15	WPG - Barron, Morgan - August 2 Signed July 17	August 4 - Scanlin, Brandon - NYR Signed August 1
Vilardi, Gabriel - WPG - July 28 Signed July 19	WPG - Vilardi, Gabriel - July 28 Signed July 19

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[uncleben]

I will keep this thread updated with players going to arbitration, when their hearing dates are, and details of when the contract is settled.


-Players and teams can settle on their own contract at any point up to the opening of the arbitration case.
-Arbitration can result in either 1 or 2 year contracts (chosen by the party being taken to arbitration), unless the second year would eat up a UFA year.
-Teams cannot walk away from Club Elected Arbitration awards.
-Teams can walk away from Player Elected Arbitration awards of greater than $4,538,958, leaving the player a UFA.

 

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[Marc the Habs Fan]

With the tight cap situations of BOS and MIN, I think they have to do what they can to avoid going to arb with their goalie. Their cases are very strong.

 

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[Ace]

Jeannot’s case should be that he’s apparently worth a full draft to Tampa

 

[Marc the Habs Fan]

I quickly looked but I do not see any legit NHLers who had arbitration rights who decided not to file.

 

[EXTRAS]

Approximately when do arbitration hearings happen? Mid July? August?

 

[MMC]

Approximately when do arbitration hearings happen? Mid July? August?

July 20-Aug 4 this year

 

[horner]

Jeannot’s case should be that he’s apparently worth a full draft to Tampa

2 mil

 

[Divine]

I think Jeannot's case is going to be the most interesting. Regardless of ruling (if it gets that far), I assume Tampa basically has to accept. Otherwise, they paid maybe the highest price for a rental in a long time... for Jeannot.

 

[Marc the Habs Fan]

I think Jeannot's case is going to be the most interesting. Regardless of ruling (if it gets that far), I assume Tampa basically has to accept. Otherwise, they paid maybe the highest price for a rental in a long time... for Jeannot.

His number will be below the walkaway number of 4.538 M, so they have no choice in the matter.

 

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Jeannot’s case should be that he’s apparently worth a full draft to Tampa

Offer sheet compensation would say that a 1st + 2nd + 3rd is equal to $6,435,187-$8,580,250

Now, Jeannot didn't quite hit the next bracket (2 1sts++), but he did return an additional 4th + 5th on top of the 1,2,3.

So... I think the arbiter has no choice but to award Jeannot with a maxed out offer sheet compensation equivalent contract of $8,580,250

 

[Divine]

Offer sheet compensation would say that a 1st + 2nd + 3rd is equal to $6,435,187-$8,580,250

Now, Jeannot didn't quite hit the next bracket (2 1sts++), but he did return an additional 4th + 5th on top of the 1,2,3.

So... I think the arbiter has no choice but to award Jeannot with a maxed out offer sheet compensation equivalent contract of $8,580,250

Disagree.

I present the case that the Jeannot trade included Cal Foote (2017 - 14th overall)

Therefore, he was traded for 2 1st's + round 2, 3, 4, and 5 pick.

That is greater than the threshold of 2 1sts + 2nd and 3rd, but less than the 4 1st's max compensation.

Therefore, based on Tampa's perceived value of him - he should be awarded a value somewhere between the 2 1st's + 2nd and 3rd compensation of $8, 580, 250 (should be more as he got more than the min. compensation) and the 4 1sts max compensation of 20% of the cap (16.7M).

I think to make it fair to everyone, we settle in the middle. Tampa's perceived value of the transaction was a cap hit of $12.64M. Even though that was Tampa's perceived value based on what they gave up, it would not be unreasonable to suggest that they felt they got excess value, hence completing the trade. However, to make the arbitrator and Tampa's life easier, Jeannot will gladly accept the middle ground arbitration number of $12.64M.

Jeannot rests his case.

 

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What does evolvinghockey have for some of these rfa? Barron, swayman, jeannot, colton, Gustavsson? Would be interesting.

 

[mouser]

I quickly looked but I do not see any legit NHLers who had arbitration rights who decided not to file.

I did a quick filter search on CF with:
- RFA
- Arbitration eligible
That yields 45 players.

Adding anther filter of 30+ NHL games played this past season cuts the list to 22 players—identical to the 22 players filing for arbitration.

Search inputs:

2024 NHL Free Agents - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

2024 NHL free agent players who are available to be signed during NHL free agency

www.capfriendly.com

p.s. I didn’t intentionally pick 30 games to cut it down to the 22 player list. Looking at the players below that 30 game threshold the next names are Logan Stanley (19), Cale Fleury (12j and Aleksi Heponiemi (10). So maybe 20 games would have been a fine cutoff.

 

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[Clint Eastwood]

Ahh it's arbitration season. Players will go high, teams will go low, and fans will somehow always find a way to be baffled that as they go "LMAO, REALLY? <insert player> thinks he's worth <THIS AMOUNT>?"

 

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July 20
Philipp Kurashev (Chicago Blackhawks)
Brandon Duhaime (Minnesota Wild)
Alexei Toropchenko (St. Louis Blues)
*Noah Cates (Philadelphia Flyers)

July 21
Ilya Samsonov (Toronto Maple Leafs)

July 24
Brett Howden (Vegas Golden Knights)
Vince Dunn (Seattle Kraken)
Tanner Jeannot (Tampa Bay Lightning)

July 26
Ian Mitchell (Boston Bruins)
*Will Borgen (Seattle Kraken)

July 27
Ross Colton (Colorado Avalanche)

July 28
Gabriel Vilardi (Winnipeg Jets)
*Cale Fleury (Seattle Kraken)

July 30
Jeremy Swayman (Boston Bruins)
Jack McBain (Arizona Coyotes)

July 31
Alex DeBrincat (Detroit Red Wings)

August 1
Trent Frederic (Boston Bruins)

August 2
Morgan Barron (Winnipeg Jets)
Troy Terry (Anaheim Ducks)

August 4
Ryan McLeod (Edmonton Oilers)
Brandon Scanlin (New York Rangers)
Filip Gustavsson (Minnesota Wild)
Drew O'Connor (Pittsburgh Penguins)

 

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