Line Combos: 2023-2024 Red Wings

[datsyukfan]

Watch this.

DeBrincat - Larkin - Killorn
Raymond - O'Reilly - Perron
Burgers - Copp - Kubalik

This has to score more goals, right?

Followed by Rass- Kasper- Fabbri

 

[Detroit Knights]

Seems like a perfect fit for Detroit's timeline. Hometown boy, too.



From I understand, let's say Detroit trades for him before July 1st, he can be signed at a lower amount than his 9M qualifying offer, correct? I would think a contract similar to Robert Thomas / Jordan Kyrou is in order.

@Bench @Frk It

As far as the tweet goes, this is exactly what I am talking about...Debrincat was traded for #7 and #50ish at the draft. Whereas Meier was traded for a HAUL (both had reasonably same numbers) at the deadline.

Two very different time periods with wildly different "trading asks"

 

[Frk It]

@Bench @Frk It

As far as the tweet goes, this is exactly what I am talking about...Debrincat was traded for #7 and #50ish at the draft. Whereas Meier was traded for a HAUL (both had reasonably same numbers) at the deadline.

Two very different time periods with wildly different "trading asks"

“No inclination of signing with Ottawa”

Doesn’t sound like that’s going to be a sign and trade to me.

 

[norrisnick]

Watch this.

DeBrincat - Larkin - Killorn
Raymond - O'Reilly - Perron
Burgers - Copp - Kubalik

This has to score more goals, right?

Gross

 

[norrisnick]

“No inclination of signing with Ottawa”

Doesn’t sound like that’s going to be a sign and trade to me.

Tkachuk told Calgary he wasn't going to sign to play for them. That's why they orchestrated the trade. Tkachuk agreed to sign pre-trade to get the 8th year.

I'm confused as to why there is this hang up with the sign and trade. It's a unique situation that really only applies to RFAs with a year left that don't want to sign long term extensions with their current teams. And really only matters because of the 7 vs 8 year rule.

 

[Unfriendly Ghost]

There is literally no way Ottawa is going to trade a 40 goal winger in-division to a team in the same stage of competitive life as them. They're just not going to do it. Nobody would do it. That should shut the conversation down right away.

 

[Frk It]

Tkachuk told Calgary he wasn't going to sign to play for them. That's why they orchestrated the trade. Tkachuk agreed to sign pre-trade to get the 8th year.

I'm confused as to why there is this hang up with the sign and trade. It's a unique situation that really only applies to RFAs with a year left that don't want to sign long term extensions with their current teams. And really only matters because of the 7 vs 8 year rule.

Yeah and in that case you brought up it makes sense.

But to go to a new team… and then sign a 8 year deal… and then go somewhere else…. That’s different.

 

[norrisnick]

Yeah and in that case you brought up it makes sense.

But to go to a new team… and then sign a 8 year deal… and then go somewhere else…. That’s different.

The 8 year deal is with the understanding that they are traded. They wouldn't sign it otherwise. And it's purely to get the 8th year.

And it's not like Timo picked NJ as from my understanding Grier didn't let Claude (same agent as Mo) talk to any teams pre-trade.

 

[Frk It]

The 8 year deal is with the understanding that they are traded. They wouldn't sign it otherwise. And it's purely to get the 8th year.

And it's not like Timo picked NJ as from my understanding Grier didn't let Claude (same agent as Mo) talk to any teams pre-trade.

That’s fair, I guess to your and @Detroit Knights point he could really hold their feet to the fire if he wanted.

But I would guess that would lead to him getting traded at the deadline next year most likely as opposed to this summer. I would guess they would try their best to negotiate with him right up until the point it becomes clear he is not signing.

I don’t know if they could have had an inkling on his willingness to sign prior to getting him via trade, not sure how much tampering goes on with something like that.

 

[Bench]

There is literally no way Ottawa is going to trade a 40 goal winger in-division to a team in the same stage of competitive life as them. They're just not going to do it. Nobody would do it. That should shut the conversation down right away.

True.

But...

What if DeBrincat is hellbent on going home to Michigan? Unlikely but that's our only hope here.

 

[norrisnick]

That’s fair, I guess to your and @Detroit Knights point he could really hold their feet to the fire if he wanted.

But I would guess that would lead to him getting traded at the deadline next year most likely as opposed to this summer. I would guess they would try their best to negotiate with him right up until the point it becomes clear he is not signing.

I don’t know if they could have had an inkling on his willingness to sign prior to getting him via trade, not sure how much tampering goes on with something like that.

The trick there is the qualifying offer. They may not want to deal with the $10M deal if they have other players to pay. That and way more teams are still optimistic in the summer and have the flexibility to absorb a brand new big money player.

True.

But...

What if DeBrincat is hellbent on going home to Michigan? Unlikely but that's our only hope here.

Then he can sign a sweetheart deal next summer.

 

[Barry Amsterdam]

Gross

don’t need killorns corpse on this team. No clue why people want to throw the bricks bank at him

 

[norrisnick]

don’t need killorns corpse on this team. No clue why people want to throw the bricks bank at him

They long for Abby's impact. His caphit only has three years left and they want to line up a replacement.

 

[LeighDx59]

Mbappe - Haaland - Messi
Meier - Larkin - Raymond
Perron - Rasmussen - Berggren
Kubalik - Copp - Lesnar

Edvinsson - Seider
Orlov - Maata
Walman - Mayfield

Osgood
Husso

If we get Brock Lesnar on our fourth line? We'll win the Cup. He can just F-5 guys like Marchand and Tkachuk, itll be great

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

don’t need killorns corpse on this team. No clue why people want to throw the bricks bank at him

Corpses don’t score like he did this season. That dude still has it.

 

[Bench]

Corpses don’t score like he did this season. That dude still has it.

Dude if Killorn is here it will take ice away from *checks notes* Pius Suter!

 

[norrisnick]

Corpses don’t score like he did this season. That dude still has it.

On a 2nd line centered by Steven Stamkos.

Our 2nd line is centered by [checks notes] Andrew Copp.

The missing piece to a 2nd line that scores is not Killorn. It is Stamkos. And a top line with Point and Kucherov...

 

[Bench]

On a 2nd line centered by Steven Stamkos.

Our 2nd line is centered by [checks notes] Andrew Copp.

The missing piece to a 2nd line that scores is not Killorn. It is Stamkos. And a top line with Point and Kucherov...

So what's the plan just keep running Zadina, Fabbri, Suter, Kubalik?

Someone has to replace Vrana and Bert. There's definitely room in the top 6 even if they aren't the perfect aged goal scorer on a sweetheart deal.

 

[norrisnick]

So what's the plan just keep running Zadina, Fabbri, Suter, Kubalik?

Someone has to replace Vrana and Bert. There's definitely room in the top 6 even if they aren't the perfect aged goal scorer on a sweetheart deal.

Skill. Preferably "pure skill" and not "character guy that can produce next to pure skill".

If you listen to Steve from today he very plainly states that adding the necessary offense may not be available to him. Can't conjure talent out of thin air. But filling the roster with support players isn't the way. Some of the young talent may need to be unshackled a bit. Lalonde also stated that some of the extra offense may have to come from schemes and tactics now that a baseline of defense is somewhat there.

 

[Bench]

Skill. Preferably "pure skill" and not "character guy that can produce next to pure skill".

I mean that sounds great.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

On a 2nd line centered by Steven Stamkos.

Our 2nd line is centered by [checks notes] Andrew Copp.

The missing piece to a 2nd line that scores is not Killorn. It is Stamkos. And a top line with Point and Kucherov...

He’s got as much production with Hagel and Cirelli.

Alex Killorn - Fantasy Hockey Game Logs, Advanced Stats and more - Frozen Tools

The guy is probably a 40-50 point guy in Detroit instead of a 60 point guy but that’s ok. He’s a solid depth add. Can play on any line and contribute.

Kubalik - Larkin - Killorn
Free agent/trade - Kasper - Raymond
Rasmussen - Copp - Perron (they were realgud)
Berggren - Veleno - Fabbri/Soderblom/free agent

If the Wings add Killorn that’s an upgrade on Bertuzzi. Then add one or two of DeBrincat, Tarasenko, ROR, Barbashev. That is a respectable forward group with good depth.

Then it’s onto fixing the defense.

 

[norrisnick]

I mean that sounds great.

I didn't say it was easy. But that is what we need. You want to be very careful "settling" on too many guys just because they're available.

 

[JohanFranzenstein]

If CGY is going full scorched earth, could it be worth testing the market for Hanifin and or Tanev to shore up D?

 

[norrisnick]

He’s got as much production with Hagel and Cirelli.

Alex Killorn - Fantasy Hockey Game Logs, Advanced Stats and more - Frozen Tools

The guy is probably a 40-50 point guy in Detroit instead of a 60 point guy but that’s ok. He’s a solid depth add. Can play on any line and contribute.

Kubalik - Larkin - Killorn
Free agent/trade - Kasper - Raymond
Rasmussen - Copp - Perron (they were realgud)
Berggren - Veleno - Fabbri/Soderblom/free agent

If the Wings add Killorn that’s an upgrade on Bertuzzi. Then add one or two of DeBrincat, Tarasenko, ROR, Barbashev. That is a respectable forward group with good depth.

Then it’s onto fixing the defense.

All of it is predicated on there being a shitload of offense playing ahead of him in the lineup. Dump some 100pt players on the Wings and our guys are slotting way more appropriately and facing matchups they're good enough to compete against.

 

[Frk It]

He’s got as much production with Hagel and Cirelli.

Alex Killorn - Fantasy Hockey Game Logs, Advanced Stats and more - Frozen Tools

The guy is probably a 40-50 point guy in Detroit instead of a 60 point guy but that’s ok. He’s a solid depth add. Can play on any line and contribute.

Kubalik - Larkin - Killorn
Free agent/trade - Kasper - Raymond
Rasmussen - Copp - Perron (they were realgud)
Berggren - Veleno - Fabbri/Soderblom/free agent

If the Wings add Killorn that’s an upgrade on Bertuzzi. Then add one or two of DeBrincat, Tarasenko, ROR, Barbashev. That is a respectable forward group with good depth.

Then it’s onto fixing the defense.

If that is our top line next year, I’ll punch you in the face.