GWT: 2022-23 - English Domestic Cups (FA/Carabao)

[Wee Baby Seamus]

To each their own, but no thanks.

Would you have him higher or lower?

 

[les Habs]

Would you have him higher or lower?

Lower. Ter Stegen comes to mind. Not a lot lower mind you.

 

[The Abusement Park]

Would you have him higher or lower?

I think 3 might be high, but only barely. DDG is for sure top 5 though. I think my top 5 would be

1) Neuer(very easy 1 here) followed by in no order:

Courtois
MtS
DDG
Navas(Maybe Buffon I went back and forth between those two)

 

[Wee Baby Seamus]

Lower. Ter Stegen comes to mind. Not a lot lower mind you.

Figured as such. Ter Stegen, to me, is the victim of the timespan here. Wasn’t starter at Barcelona until 2016.

 

[Savant]

Alisson definitely in that conversation

 

[The Abusement Park]

Alisson definitely in that conversation

For 2010’s? I don’t agree. 2020’s he’s probably #1 though.

 

[Savant]

For 2010’s? I don’t agree. 2020’s he’s probably #1 though.

I think that’s pretty fair but if we are talking about MATS from 2016 that’s basically the same sample size from his Roma tape too

 

[The Abusement Park]

I think that’s pretty fair but if we are talking about MATS from 2016 that’s basically the same sample size from his Roma tape too

I mean MtS had way more games played in the 2010’s than Allison.

 

[Savant]

I mean MtS had way more games played in the 2010’s than Allison.

Also fair but I think Alisson at Roma is closer to the current edition than MATS at Monchengladbach. MatS always had talent but he skyrocketed after his move to Spain. Alisson was starting to (for lack of a better word) start for Brazil when he was at Roma

 

[The Abusement Park]

Also fair but I think Alisson at Roma is closer to the current edition than MATS at Monchengladbach. MatS always had talent but he skyrocketed after his move to Spain. Alisson was starting to (for lack of a better word) start for Brazil when he was at Roma

I mean MtS at BMG was already very very good. @cgf would remember better than me but he was one of the best goalies in the Buli at age 20-21 IIRC. Allison was good at Roma but he was in Brazil for a good chunk of the 10’s.

 

[hatterson]

So on another topic, I'm a little surprised our "resident" Man City "fan" hasn't showed up to brag about City winning this or the league (that I noticed).

Although I suppose it would fit for him to wait until after the CL to really go all in on the "City is the best team in history this year" angle. Of course if they lose he'll likely just ghost things for a while as usual.

 

[Savant]

So on another topic, I'm a little surprised our "resident" Man City "fan" hasn't showed up to brag about City winning this or the league (that I noticed).

Although I suppose it would fit for him to wait until after the CL to really go all in on the "City is the best team in history this year" angle. Of course if they lose he'll likely just ghost things for a while as usual.

City fans don’t even care when they win

 

[cgf]

I mean MtS at BMG was already very very good. @cgf would remember better than me but he was one of the best goalies in the Buli at age 20-21 IIRC. Allison was good at Roma but he was in Brazil for a good chunk of the 10’s.

Yeah, MAtS was a monster for Gladbach. Leno had the most non-Neuer hype in german circles, but from the instant ter Stegen took over for Gladbach's senior team he was a commanding presence behind their backline.

His ball-playing is probably the area he's improved most since going to spain, but even that wasn't ever a weakness. Our youth keepers seem to be getting good again...but ter Stegen & Neuer were just unreal from around the age of 20 onwards.

 

[les Habs]

Figured as such. Ter Stegen, to me, is the victim of the timespan here. Wasn’t starter at Barcelona until 2016.

I would challenge that with not only his time with Gladbach prior to that, but also the fact that in 2014-15 he was Barca’s CL keeper and they won the competition with him being in the UEFA squad of the tournament.

Keylor Navas was another I was thinking too.

 

[bluesfan94]

Hence his drastic drop off. At his peak keepers were far less involved than they are now.

Yeah but it’s never been the whole game. You had dealing with crosses and organizing a defense, etc.

 

[Evilo]

Lloris was apparently playing hockey.

 

[LOGiK]

A midfield with him and Odegaard would be such a dream, but I'm trying to keep my hopes in check, figure Barca is a lot more likely. Nice to be in the conversation though lol

Gun won City the PL title last year when it seemed lost. Still shocked at that ending.

 

[maclean]

Gun won City the PL title last year when it seemed lost. Still shocked at that ending.

It's kind of funny that for quite some time after Pep brought him, people still considered him underwhelming. Truly a player that has matured well, which is why I wouldn't be worried about him slowing down too much right away

 

[bluesfan94]

Top 10 keepers in the 10s are neuer, MATS, Buffon, Lloris, Courtois, Cech, Navas, DDG, Handanovic, and Oblak

 

[hatterson]

Top 10 keepers in the 10s are neuer, MATS, Buffon, Lloris, Courtois, Cech, Navas, DDG, Handanovic, and Oblak

And the only one who is really locked into a spot is Neuer at the top. Everyone else has at least done up or down mobility of at least 2-3 spots.

 

[Jussi]

So on another topic, I'm a little surprised our "resident" Man City "fan" hasn't showed up to brag about City winning this or the league (that I noticed).

Although I suppose it would fit for him to wait until after the CL to really go all in on the "City is the best team in history this year" angle. Of course if they lose he'll likely just ghost things for a while as usual.

There's a City fan here??

 

[hatterson]

There's a City fan here??

Yea there’s one guy who shows up every so often to try to gloat. GeorgeLeafer or something like that.

 

[LOGiK]

There's a City fan here??

As for nothing off the pitch or the shenanigans they are up to financially or otherwise.... I watch them often strictly for football just for the sheer amount of talent in one place.

Plus it's nice to have a giant, because all giants fall. So the chaos of that time is worth the wait.

But I watch a few other top league clubs. I don't live in UK or in europe for that matter so I don't really care (as I would if I lived somewhere in Europe)=]

 

[Jussi]

Yea there’s one guy who shows up every so often to try to gloat. GeorgeLeafer or something like that.

You can't really tell what club team he's supporting really though. It's like his threads are just attention seekers or something. Just looking at the ones in the International Tournament section...

 

[cgf]

Top 10 keepers in the 10s are neuer, MATS, Buffon, Lloris, Courtois, Cech, Navas, DDG, Handanovic, and Oblak

I don't know enough about assessing keepers to argue too vehemently...but I would think Sommer has a shout for top 10. He got to Basel right at the start of the decade & quickly became a top-tier keeper for them, shining even at the CL level.

And his Gladbach tenure was fantastic from day 1. MAtS was a bit better as a shot-stopper...with penalties being the biggest difference between them...but Sommer was an even better passer/dribbler, and an excellent stopper in his own right.