Pre-Game Talk: 2021 Training Camp

[A Star is Burns]

While I agree, I think there was more to it. Brett Pesce has now had 3 shoulder injuries. A major one in college that required surgery. One a couple years ago where he opted not to get surgery after a second opinion. One last season where he got surgery.

And there's a not insignificant chance we regret keeping him. I've been in the open to move him in the right move camp (assuming a reasonable replacement is secured) because it's a real concern. However, it's easier to take that risk with Pesce than de Haan. Even then, I had initial issues with moving de Haan as well.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Got a scrimmage today. Cant wait for the irrational feelings it will cause, like the hill I will die on "get Necas off Staal's line."

 

[the halleJOKEL]

is the scrimmage going to be streamed anywhere?

 

[A Star is Burns]

I hope it's streamed. Many other teams have been streaming them.

 

[Joe McGrath]

Got a scrimmage today. Cant wait for the irrational feelings it will cause, like the hill I will die on "get Necas off Staal's line."

Im trying to find the reasoning for this move. My best rationalization is that they want Necas to learn how to be the primary offensive driver of a line. Line 1, certainly not. Line 2 (if that’s where Svech is). Nope, he’s a passenger along for the ride with Svech and Trochek. With Staal and McLovin he is the guy with the puck and he doesn’t have to do any of the physical grinding without it.

I don’t know if that’s the best thing to do (probably isn’t), but I could live with it if that’s rationale.

 

[bleedgreen]

And there's a not insignificant chance we regret keeping him. I've been in the open to move him in the right move camp (assuming a reasonable replacement is secured) because it's a real concern. However, it's easier to take that risk with Pesce than de Haan. Even then, I had initial issues with moving de Haan as well.

So it’s started already?

You’re nuts. I’d have Pesce play every healthy game he has to give us and let him go for nothing than worry about what we could get in trade for him now before shoulder concerns affect his value. He’s on a ridiculous contract for what he brings, we can afford it. If we can’t we’ve had bad management elsewhere...do something about that instead of fussing over Pesce.

That guy is part of this core and in his mid 20’s. We’re a better team with him.

 

[geehaad]

In Rod I Trust

...so far, at least.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

So it’s started already?

You’re nuts. I’d have Pesce play every healthy game he has to give us and let him go for nothing than worry about what we could get in trade for him now before shoulder concerns affect his value. He’s on a ridiculous contract for what he brings, we can afford it. If we can’t we’ve had bad management elsewhere...do something about that instead of fussing over Pesce.

That guy is part of this core and in his mid 20’s. We’re a better team with him.

I know you weren't responding to me, but to clarify, I wasn't at all recommending we move on from Pesce or even wringing my hands over him. My comment was to the person that said de Hann had shoulder concerns so it was ok to move on from him (paraphrasing). I was saying Pesce has now had 3 shoulder issues, and none of us would want to move on from Pesce (rightfully so for the reasons you stated), so to me at least, it seems there was more to moving deHann than just the shoulder concerns. Granted, the same issue isn't always treated the same way with different players, but we'll never know for sure all the reasons.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

Pesce said on the CanesCast that his shoulder hasn’t felt this good in a long time.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Im trying to find the reasoning for this move. My best rationalization is that they want Necas to learn how to be the primary offensive driver of a line. Line 1, certainly not. Line 2 (if that’s where Svech is). Nope, he’s a passenger along for the ride with Svech and Trochek. With Staal and McLovin he is the guy with the puck and he doesn’t have to do any of the physical grinding without it.

I don’t know if that’s the best thing to do (probably isn’t), but I could live with it if that’s rationale.

It might be as simple as he's not replacing TT on line 1, and even though it was a limited sample size, he and Trocheck didn't look good together last year, so that leaves Staal's line.

 

[Joe McGrath]

It might be as simple as he's not replacing TT on line 1, and even though it was a limited sample size, he and Trocheck didn't look good together last year, so that leaves Staal's line.

Id like to believe there is more thought behind it than that, but you’re probably right.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

is the scrimmage going to be streamed anywhere?

Apparently not.

 

[hblueridgegal]

Im trying to find the reasoning for this move. My best rationalization is that they want Necas to learn how to be the primary offensive driver of a line. Line 1, certainly not. Line 2 (if that’s where Svech is). Nope, he’s a passenger along for the ride with Svech and Trochek. With Staal and McLovin he is the guy with the puck and he doesn’t have to do any of the physical grinding without it.

I don’t know if that’s the best thing to do (probably isn’t), but I could live with it if that’s rationale.

When asked about Necas last week in one of his pressers, RBA briefly spoke of Necas needing more confidence in his abilities. I believe this has been mentioned before. Didn't exactly get the best vibe from RBA when he was speaking about him - it's pretty easy to see who his favorites are when he's interviewed.

 

[GoldiFox]

Guess they should have waited on Forsling. Not that it was a big loss.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Guess they should have waited on Forsling. Not that it was a big loss.

Maybe they wanted the guy to get a chance elsewhere as he didn't have a future in Carolina so they waived him early.

 

[MinJaBen]

Maybe the Canes look for a Forsling replacement. Not that they need one.

I doubt it. If you want to keep a waiver claim, they have to be on the NHL club for an extended time period. And obviously, they didn't want Forsling on the NHL squad right now. You can't just assign them to the AHL or taxi squad.

 

[GoldiFox]

I doubt it. If you want to keep a waiver claim, they have to be on the NHL club for an extended time period. And obviously, they didn't want Forsling on the NHL squad right now. You can't just assign them to the AHL or taxi squad.

Yeah I realized that a moment after. As Forsling would be a taxi squad guy it doesn't make sense to pick up a replacement on waivers. They would need to be waived again to move down.

 

[A Star is Burns]

So it’s started already?

You’re nuts. I’d have Pesce play every healthy game he has to give us and let him go for nothing than worry about what we could get in trade for him now before shoulder concerns affect his value. He’s on a ridiculous contract for what he brings, we can afford it. If we can’t we’ve had bad management elsewhere...do something about that instead of fussing over Pesce.

That guy is part of this core and in his mid 20’s. We’re a better team with him.

Yep, there was no nuance to what I said. I just said ship him out no matter what.

 

[MinJaBen]

Trying not to get my hopes up too much here....

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Trying not to get my hopes up too much here....

In before: "Rod hates Fleury"

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Team Red won the scrimmage.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Trying not to get my hopes up too much here....

I believe trotz talked about how good Wahlstrom looked then the Islanders sent him down to the AHL.

 

[MinJaBen]

I believe trotz talked about how good Wahlstrom looked then the Islanders sent him down to the AHL.

Again, read the first part of my post....

 

[GoldiFox]

Trying not to get my hopes up too much here....

A motivated Skjei is going to be a force on the 2nd pair and fun to watch. I want to see those Fast-type hits once a week. I think he's going to change a lot of opinions that are largely based on his 1st pairing usage next to a struggling Trouba in NYR.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Again, read the first part of my post....

I did, thanks.