Roster Moves: 2021 Roster Thread XXV: Extended Qualifying Offers to Bunnaman, Hart, Kase, Sanheim; Morin re-signed

[Magua]

Pretty sure I'm still going Ty.

Great post.

 

[ajgoal]

Pretty sure I'm still going Ty.

I'm going with breaking the pre-draft rules and forfeiting the pick.

 

[Curufinwe]

Incomprehensible? He's a 26-year old 20+ minute RHD. Look at the supply/demand. There were 7 teams offering first round picks for him. Why the hell would Buffalo retain salary, let alone it be "incomprehensible" that they didn't?

How many of those teams were offering a pick in the top half of the draft? Teams very often retain salary when they get a big asset in return, especially teams that are well under the cap floor.

 

[landsbergfan]

Steve’s your real name isn’t it?

It's mononoke

 

[Magua]

It's mononoke

 

[RebusFlyer]

Glass played 66 (10:15), 57 (10:17) and 11 games (10:55) for AV in NY.

Is that Glass half-full or Glass half-empty?

 

[Magua]

Is that Glass half-full or Glass half-empty?

With Alain Vigneault, that glass is always full-full.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Yeah, I’m taking Risto now over Isak Rosen & a 2023 2nd rd. pick. But you do you.

I don't take expensive, terrible players.

 

[Bigkarl]

I'd take Rosen & a 2nd over Risto. I'd definitely take Ghost+Rosen+2 2nds over Risto. I'd take Ghost + anyone that was given a first round rating + 2 2nds. I'd also take Ghost + trading down for more picks/future picks + 2 2nds. I'd also take the 13th + for Reinhart, even if it did leave us thinner on D.

Or are we going to do the thing where we pretend our only options are a bad trade or no trade?

 

[deadhead]

Well, I have no problem moving out Ghost, since he was blocking York and Zamula for two seasons.
I think post-2017-18 Ghost is the most overrated player by Flyer fans I can remember.

I would not have traded for Reinhart if it meant going thinner on defense, we have plenty of 2nd line forwards. Scoring will not be an issue this season unless we have a plague of injuries, and we have plenty of forward prospects.

I still think it was a bad overpay, but not because they had to dump Ghost, Stralman cost more to dump.
You just don't give that much on a pure gamble on upside.

 

[Prongo]

Ghost was not blocking the young defenseman from playing.

 

[Starat327]

"Ghost was blocking Yorkj and Zamula!"

"Signing Yandle wont block York and Zamula"

the two are about as mutually exclusive as you can get.

 

[Bigkarl]

Well, I have no problem moving out Ghost, since he was blocking York and Zamula for two seasons.
I think post-2017-18 Ghost is the most overrated player by Flyer fans I can remember.

I would not have traded for Reinhart if it meant going thinner on defense, we have plenty of 2nd line forwards. Scoring will not be an issue this season unless we have a plague of injuries, and we have plenty of forward prospects.

I still think it was a bad overpay, but not because they had to dump Ghost, Stralman cost more to dump.
You just don't give that much on a pure gamble on upside.

I’ll agree to disagree on Reinhart because I think he’s a significantly better impact on the team than Risto, but I get your point.

Who is Ghost blocking if he’s the 2nd or 3rd pair RD?

 

[deadhead]

"Ghost was blocking Yorkj and Zamula!"

"Signing Yandle wont block York and Zamula"

the two are about as mutually exclusive as you can get.

You mean a player with a 2 year/$4.5M contract is less of a block than a player with a 1 year, minimum salary?
You can't bury Ghost in the AHL or the pressbox without cap consequences, you can do so with Yandle.

I suspect that in a few years we'll find out the reason the Flyers had to pay to dump Ghost is his knees are far worse than has been revealed, but to trade him you have to give the other team his medicals. He's probably healthy enough not to go on LTIR, but bad enough to present a serious risk of decline over the next two years.

 

[deadhead]

I’ll agree to disagree on Reinhart because I think he’s a significantly better impact on the team than Risto, but I get your point.

Who is Ghost blocking if he’s the 2nd or 3rd pair RD?

He wouldn't be the 2nd pair RHD, and Braun is the 3rd pair RHD.
Ghost would have been the 5th D-man and PP QB.
They never considered him as an option for the top four, and neither did any other team in the NHL.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Salary isn't the block. Coach preference is.

 

[Bigkarl]

You mean a player with a 2 year/$4.5M contract is less of a block than a player with a 1 year, minimum salary?
You can't bury Ghost in the AHL or the pressbox without cap consequences, you can do so with Yandle.

I suspect that in a few years we'll find out the reason the Flyers had to pay to dump Ghost is his knees are far worse than has been revealed, but to trade him you have to give the other team his medicals. He's probably healthy enough not to go on LTIR, but bad enough to present a serious risk of decline over the next two years.

With York in the lineup, Ghost is still one of their 6 best defenseman and 3 best RD. I’m failing to see why Ghost would need to be put in the press box or buried in the AHL.

 

[deadhead]

Salary isn't the block. Coach preference is.

30 other HCs felt the same, or they'd have begged their GM to pick him up at no cost.
Teams find a way to make cap room for players they want.

Just because some fans on a message board consider Ghost a top four D-man, it's obvious no one in the NHL shares that assessment, a few GMs might be wrong, but when the whole league agrees, I'll take the consensus - it's not like Ghost is an unknown quantity, there's plenty of film on him.

 

[Beef Invictus]

30 other HCs felt the same, or they'd have begged their GM to pick him up at no cost.
Teams find a way to make cap room for players they want.

Just because some fans on a message board consider Ghost a top four D-man, it's obvious no one in the NHL shares that assessment, a few GMs might be wrong, but when the whole league agrees, I'll take the consensus - it's not like Ghost is an unknown quantity, there's plenty of film on him.

Head coaches and GMs are notoriously infallible and never get player evaluations wrong collectively.

That's the argument? It's been debunked repeatedly.

Anyway, Yandle is blocking York and Zamula because AV will lust over him. Salary is irrelevant.

 

[Bigkarl]

He wouldn't be the 2nd pair RHD, and Braun is the 3rd pair RHD.
Ghost would have been the 5th D-man and PP QB.
They never considered him as an option for the top four, and neither did any other team in the NHL.

We’re going to argue the semantics of who we label as 2nd or 3rd pair? Their 3 best RD would be Ellis, Ghost, and Braun. Their 3 best LD would be Provorov, Sanheim, and York. The coach should be able to figure out how to make three working pairs out of that, even if it means committing the mortal sin of moving Provorov away from Ellis and off the “1st” pair

 

[Starat327]

You mean a player with a 2 year/$4.5M contract is less of a block than a player with a 1 year, minimum salary?
You can't bury Ghost in the AHL or the pressbox without cap consequences, you can do so with Yandle.

I suspect that in a few years we'll find out the reason the Flyers had to pay to dump Ghost is his knees are far worse than has been revealed, but to trade him you have to give the other team his medicals. He's probably healthy enough not to go on LTIR, but bad enough to present a serious risk of decline over the next two years.

This front office had no problem putting Ghost in the press box and playing inferior players over him. He wasnt blocking anyone.

 

[Starat327]

the fun part is, when Yandle does inevitably block him, itll be because York and Zamula werent ready, and they needed more seasoning, so the AHl was the right place for them all along.

...despite Ghost blocking them.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Head coaches and GMs are notoriously infallible and never get player evaluations wrong collectively.

That's the argument? It's been debunked repeatedly.

Anyway, Yandle is blocking York and Zamula because AV will lust over him. Salary is irrelevant.

there is a 0.0% chance Yandke signed here to be a healthy scratch or play in the AHL, he is going to be a roster staple...

100% he now blocks a youth.

 

[Starat327]

there is a 0.0% chance Yandke signed here to be a healthy scratch or play in the AHL, he is going to be a roster staple...

100% he now blocks a youth.

Nonsense, im sure Thompson and Yandle both just came here on minimum contracts for the cheesesteaks. Dont be silly.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Nonsense, im sure Thompson and Yandle both just came here on minimum contracts for the cheesesteaks. Dont be silly.

ur right, prolly just signed for the dressing room parties, which im sure will be amazing this year.