2021 Coyotes Roster Discussion Pt. 3

[moosemeister]

Bushy is getting extended

Lol seconds after my text, Craig announces it. One year deal.

 

[AZviaNJ]

Lol seconds after my text, Craig announces it. One year deal.

Expanded and expansion exposed?

 

[Mosby]

Good deal. He’s grown on me this season because he has grown his puck moving skills. He should be seen as a solid regular in the lineup now, at the No. 6 hole at least. Interesting chemistry with OEL as well.

1.35 cap hit is a smidge high IMO (were other teams going to sign him?) but whatever. Small potatoes.

 

[hbk]

Good deal. He’s grown on me this season because he has grown his puck moving skills. He should be seen as a solid regular in the lineup now, at the No. 6 hole at least. Interesting chemistry with OEL as well.

1.35 cap hit is a smidge high IMO (were other teams going to sign him?) but whatever. Small potatoes.

Hes a UFA and the only other guy signed who we would then have to expose to expansion draft is Chychrun. Id pay an extra $200K to avoid that.

 

[rt]

But you traded Keller not Hayton?

My point is everyone is telling me they don’t like the proposal because they don’t like Domi. Which is confounding because he’s the 3rd most valuable piece in the deal. Tells me people don’t know enough about Foudy.

 

[rt]

Hes a UFA and the only other guy signed who we would then have to expose to expansion draft is Chychrun. Id pay an extra $200K to avoid that.

It’s not impossible that Seattle take Lyubushkin, to be honest. I assume we’ll add more crap to expose so we can hide our better pieces. I’m more worried about losing Johan Larsson or Tyler Pitlick, but you never know.

 

[rt]

I think the likelihood of DeBrusk becoming a consistent 50+ point player is slim. If he can't do it in Boston, sheltered behind that top line I don't see him doing it elsewhere. He's also had some chances on the top line when there have been injuries and didn't produce. Sure I'd like him on our 3rd line but not as a main chip in an OEL trade.

Lauzon seems more like a complementary player. Although it's been hard to get a read on the Bruins D this year with so many injuries... In previous seasons he was occasionally scratched. I'd be surprised if he's made a jump from 6/7D to top pairing in one season. I want something better for OEL. At least toss in a 1st.

I like Risto, but not if he walks. It isn't an issue of keeping Kuemper or not, it's that I don't like the return. I want something for the future or keep him. Not good asset management acquiring a potential UFA who could walk. Or we could sign the following off-season.

That roster is tough, but who is going to score? Domi is a gamble. DeBrusk is a gamble. The D is all shut down guys except for Chychrun. I'd keep Keller and his 60 point pace over Domi who seems to be a head case. Loved him here but he's been on 3 teams already, and his production might be the most inconsistent I can remember. Need more scoring production not less.

You’re asking who’s going to make up the 15pts from Domi’s 45 to Keller’s 60? I think we’ll figure it out. Maybe Foudy or maybe DeBrusk. Either way, it’ll be fine.

As for Lauzon, I’d rather have him than any 1st rounder in this draft outside of the top 15. Probably top 12. Maybe top 10. It’s not a good draft and the best players in our system, our core, our hope for the future is already in the NHL. Picking some kid who will be ready to contribute meaningfully in four years if we’re really lucky doesn’t help much. f*** draft picks. I wasn’t young players and prospects.

 

[hbk]

It’s not impossible that Seattle take Lyubushkin, to be honest. I assume we’ll add more crap to expose so we can hide our better pieces. I’m more worried about losing Johan Larsson or Tyler Pitlick, but you never know.

He’s actually been pretty good this season overall. He’s improved his skating dramatically. Im not worried about losing Larsson or Pitlick. They can only take 1.

 

[TheLegend]

Lol seconds after my text, Craig announces it. One year deal.

Hi Craig.... nice of you to out yourself.

 

[rt]

Man. All that insinuation from Morgan that BA seems to want to build in UFA makes me really hope we see some Day 1 signings that help this blueline along. I'd like to build an identity a bit, too. I would be very, very happy if we somehow managed to pick up BOTH Adam Larsson AND Jamie Oleksiak. Just hop on those two guys. The minute the window opens have BA on the line with Larsson's rep, and make him feel special as our first phone call. Then have our AGM and staff on the line with Oleksiak simultaneously. Have BA jump on right after. Make these unsung types feel special on Day One when other teams are focused on the whales. If we can end up with Adam Larsson on one pair, Jamie Oleksiak on another, and Ilya Lyubuskin on the 3rd, then we've got a hell of start on building a tough to play against identity. Maybe bring back Goligoski, too?

Chychrun-Larsson
OEL-Lyubushkin
Oleksiak-Goligoski

^so sick.

 

[rt]

Man. All that insinuation from Morgan that BA seems to want to build in UFA makes me really hope we see some Day 1 signings that help this blueline along. I'd like to build an identity a bit, too. I would be very, very happy if we somehow managed to pick up BOTH Adam Larsson AND Jamie Oleksiak. Just hop on those two guys. The minute the window opens have BA on the line with Larsson's rep, and make him feel special as our first phone call. Then have our AGM and staff on the line with Oleksiak simultaneously. Have BA jump on right after. Make these unsung types feel special on Day One when other teams are focused on the whales. If we can end up with Adam Larsson on one pair, Jamie Oleksiak on another, and Ilya Lyubuskin on the 3rd, then we've got a hell of start on building a tough to play against identity. Maybe bring back Goligoski, too?

Chychrun-Larsson
OEL-Lyubushkin
Oleksiak-Goligoski

^so sick.

Up-front, give me Blake Coleman for the top six, and Barclay Goodrow for the bottom six, and Kurtis Gabriel for the 12th/13th forward spot.

Keller-Dvorak-Garland
Bunting-Schmaltz-Coleman
Goodrow-Hayton-Pitlick
Crouse-J.Larsson-Gabriel

Chychrun-A.Larsson
OEL-Lyubushkin
Oleksiak-Goligoski
Provolnev

Adin Hill
F.Andersen

^ this is my BUILD THE WHOLE DAMN TEAM VIA UFA lineup - LOL

As long as Tocchet and Housley are gone, that's a team I would LOVE to cheer for. Would be a TON of FUN to watch.

 

[hbk]

Up-front, give me Blake Coleman for the top six, and Barclay Goodrow for the bottom six, and Kurtis Gabriel for the 12th/13th forward spot.

Keller-Dvorak-Garland
Bunting-Schmaltz-Coleman
Goodrow-Hayton-Pitlick
Crouse-J.Larsson-Gabriel

Chychrun-A.Larsson
OEL-Lyubushkin
Oleksiak-Goligoski
Provolnev

Adin Hill
F.Andersen

^ this is my BUILD THE WHOLE DAMN TEAM VIA UFA lineup - LOL

As long as Tocchet and Housley are gone, that's a team I would LOVE to cheer for. Would be a TON of FUN to watch.

I think u need to sprinkle in a ex or soon to be ex St Louis Blues player in the UfA expectations. Armstrong is going to go after “his” guys.

 

[XX]

Gabriel isn't an everyday player.

 

[Mosby]

That D group reminds me of what we had back in 2012. That was a helluva group.

 

[Mosby]

I think you’ll see Hayton and Soderstrom start in the AHL next year. This season has been way too short and shitty and they both need more time anyway.

 

[WrinkledPossum]

You’re asking who’s going to make up the 15pts from Domi’s 45 to Keller’s 60? I think we’ll figure it out. Maybe Foudy or maybe DeBrusk. Either way, it’ll be fine.

As for Lauzon, I’d rather have him than any 1st rounder in this draft outside of the top 15. Probably top 12. Maybe top 10. It’s not a good draft and the best players in our system, our core, our hope for the future is already in the NHL. Picking some kid who will be ready to contribute meaningfully in four years if we’re really lucky doesn’t help much. f*** draft picks. I wasn’t young players and prospects.

Domi's on pace for 34 in a full season. Based on this season, his and DeBrusk's production together would not match Keller. We'd be using two roster spots to fill one. I'd rather just find a physical 3rd liner in free agency. Keep Keller. Get 90 points of production out of the two spots instead of 60-70. We should find depth/supporting pieces in free agency not by trading our top assets for them. That's what Domi and DeBrusk are beginning to look like. Lauzon hasn't proved he is more than that.

 

[lanky]

Up-front, give me Blake Coleman for the top six, and Barclay Goodrow for the bottom six, and Kurtis Gabriel for the 12th/13th forward spot.

Keller-Dvorak-Garland
Bunting-Schmaltz-Coleman
Goodrow-Hayton-Pitlick
Crouse-J.Larsson-Gabriel

Chychrun-A.Larsson
OEL-Lyubushkin
Oleksiak-Goligoski
Provolnev

Adin Hill
F.Andersen

^ this is my BUILD THE WHOLE DAMN TEAM VIA UFA lineup - LOL

As long as Tocchet and Housley are gone, that's a team I would LOVE to cheer for. Would be a TON of FUN to watch.

Replace Gogo with Soderstrom and maybe Gabriel with Fischer then I'm very happy.

 

[rt]

Gabriel isn't an everyday player.

He is to me.

 

[rt]

Replace Gogo with Soderstrom and maybe Gabriel with Fischer then I'm very happy.

I think soda needs more time. I hate Fischer so much.

 

[rt]

That D group reminds me of what we had back in 2012. That was a helluva group.

Yep. Let’s just do it!

 

[rt]

Domi's on pace for 34 in a full season. Based on this season, his and DeBrusk's production together would not match Keller. We'd be using two roster spots to fill one. I'd rather just find a physical 3rd liner in free agency. Keep Keller. Get 90 points of production out of the two spots instead of 60-70. We should find depth/supporting pieces in free agency not by trading our top assets for them. That's what Domi and DeBrusk are beginning to look like. Lauzon hasn't proved he is more than that.

I think at absolute worst DeBrusk is a 15g 10a guy and Domi is a 10g 25a guy. In a normal season. That’s 60. I’d betcha a bunch both can do a lot better.

 

[Jamieh]

So far in their careers Keller and Domi are only a couple points apart per 82 games played. Why does Keller get called a 60 point guy despite only doing it once 4 years ago and Domi is half that despite having a 70 plus point on his resume?

 

[SR]

So far in their careers Keller and Domi are only a couple points apart per 82 games played. Why does Keller get called a 60 point guy despite only doing it once 4 years ago and Domi is half that despite having a 70 plus point on his resume?

Doesn’t make sense to me, either. I think Keller has more raw skill, but Domi is the more complete player.

 

[Mosby]

If this was a full season Keller would be on pace for 56 points.

 

[Jamieh]

If this was a full season Keller would be on pace for 56 points.

I think that's less than 60