Speculation: 2021-22 Sharks Roster Discussion part IX
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one2gamble
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I think Hertl will determine the future of this team. If he does not sign and the Sharks move him at the deadline, Meier might as well go too. Hertl is the only legit top 6 center on the team. Couture needs Meier to carry him and Karlsson needs better forwards around him to finish. With Hertl gone, this only becomes more difficult. I like this years’s Meier, but I do not see him as a player you build around.
I don’t know what to make of the Kane situation. Management seemed to banish him, whether rightly or wrongly, to placate other players, especially Hertl according to various media sources. So, if Hertl goes, the Sharks lose two top 6 guys in an attempt to keep Hertl happy. Hertl’s earned the right to do what he wants, but I hope he’s not playing games by saying he might stay with no intention of staying.
In my opinion, Eklund passed the eye test. Looking at some of the fancy stats, he did not generate much of anything 5 on 5. If Hertl signed an extension I think management would have been more willing to burn the elc.
in short, Hertl goes, blow it up.
I don’t know what to make of the Kane situation. Management seemed to banish him, whether rightly or wrongly, to placate other players, especially Hertl according to various media sources. So, if Hertl goes, the Sharks lose two top 6 guys in an attempt to keep Hertl happy. Hertl’s earned the right to do what he wants, but I hope he’s not playing games by saying he might stay with no intention of staying.
In my opinion, Eklund passed the eye test. Looking at some of the fancy stats, he did not generate much of anything 5 on 5. If Hertl signed an extension I think management would have been more willing to burn the elc.
in short, Hertl goes, blow it up.
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I mean, BB has already had to kinda have a talk with Hertl about body language and things of that nature when things get frustrating. If we continue to slide in the standings, I'd be looking to see how Hertl is on the bench and in the locker room. Never thought I'd be concerned with that.
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I don't think it makes any sense at all to resign Hertl. Love him completely, but this team is in a full rebuild. Look at what Columbus got for Seth Jones - Jake Bean, Adam Boqvist, Cole Sillinger, AND Chicago's first rounder this year. They got a first for Foligno and another first for Savard. That's how you rebuild a team. They have so much talent coming. The Sharks need to trade Hertl and Meyer this year - and Couture too if it's possible. Even Burns if it can be done. Eklund alone does not a rebuild make.
The team won't do that though. They've made it abundantly clear they will try to make the playoffs every year.
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The team sucks, is cap strapped and has a first line winger playing in the AHL. This team is going to be shit for a while.
spintops
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Yeah but by the time those 3 come what is the status of Hertl (team), burns, EK54, Couture (all just getting older)
They may continue trying to make the playoffs, but, as George Orwell said:
"We are all capable of believing things which we know to be untrue [eg, the Sharks can be a playoff team without a rebuild], and then, when we are finally proved wrong, impudently twisting the facts so as to show that we were right. Intellectually, it is possible to carry on this process for an indefinite time: the only check on it is that sooner or later a false belief bumps up against solid reality, usually on a battlefield.”
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My view is that only Hertl and Meier should be kept in a rebuild. Everyone else not on an ELC contract is expendable. Beyond that, I think Karlsson and Reimer would be beneficial to keep. That's it.
This team needs a culture change, and a full rebuild is the best way to do that. It would be imperative to change out the GM suite at the same time. Then let the new GM decide on what the coaching and scouting looks like.
This team needs a culture change, and a full rebuild is the best way to do that. It would be imperative to change out the GM suite at the same time. Then let the new GM decide on what the coaching and scouting looks like.
He can’t. He’s not signed and I doubt he’ll want to go pro until after the NCAA season concludes in April.
Interesting point about Bordeleau/Eklund/Dahlen/Barabanov. Right now, Dahlen and Barabanov are kind of playing the Chandler Stephenson role. In a way, this prototype seems to be the Sharks' current version of a C - shifty, good edges, good facilitator to glue together a wrecking ball RW (Kane, Meier) and a cleanup scoring LW that's playing C (Hertl, Couture).
Eklund should be an upgrade. And maybe at a minimum, Bordeleau gives them enough "pseudo Center" depth for 3 good/decent lines. Then, of course, the question becomes how they can continue upgrading in the long term - and whether it's enough to compete.
They might be projecting Robins and Gushchin into that scoring/cleanup role and Wiesblatt for the wrecking ball role. But, if a lot of money is hypothetically tied up with Couture, Kane, Hertl, Meier, then they really have to hit on these prospects. And then there's still defense and goaltending to figure out. If/when they move one of those top 4 forward contracts, that probably starts to give them some room to reimagine things up front.
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Damnit. I completely zoned out that he’s at Michigan. My bad.
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CanadienShark
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Agreed. If Hertl goes, we need to sell everyone with value.
PacificOceanPotion
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I wonder what's taking so long on the Kane trade front. Seems like a deal should've happened by now.
Don’t be surprised if it doesn’t happen until the deadline.
OrrNumber4
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Some have suggested the teams want to watch Kane play a few games, and then interview him, before committing to a trade. Others have said that Kane wants to be bought out, so he's firmly wielding his NTC.
tiburon12
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Could also be a cap thing. Prorated cap number if he's acquired at the deadline, right?
themelkman
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If its the second, hiring a new agent to talk about making a trade work is an odd choice.
I find it funny that everyone finds Kaprizov is amazing and 9M AAV is fine for him, but Timo is scoring more, is a better two way player, they’re within 60 days age of each other, but Timo has less value because he’s an RFA getting 6M AAV.
BillyCostigan
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Kaprizov makes players like Ryan Hartman look like superstars. Take him out of the Wild and they have a losing record, he elevates that whole team. He's going to end up top 5 in scoring. He's ridiculous.
Don't think Timo is better than him at all.
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More like don't be surprised if it doesn't happen at all. It would be idiotic for a GM to acquire Kane's contract at this point, even with 50% salary retention, when everyone knows the Sharks will be forced to buy him out in the offseason if a trade can't be consummated. Even setting all the off ice stuff aside Kane is 30 years old and could easily be useless on the ice for the final 2 years of the contract. There's much less risk on every level to bid for him on a one year deal.
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