Prospect Info: 2021-2022 Prospect Info

[hblueridgegal]

NHL TEAM PROSPECT POOL STRENGTH RANKINGS (JULY 2021 - POST DRAFT)

source: Byron Bader

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

NHL TEAM PROSPECT POOL STRENGTH RANKINGS (JULY 2021 - POST DRAFT)

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source: Byron Bader

That ranking skews heavily on star power because, well, the high draft picks are the most likely to become impact guys, which obviously is fair. Canes are tied with Los Angeles at #1, however, in the key metric for long-term roster sustainability, aka. the "30% NHLers". There's an insane amount of guys on our farm that have NHL role player potential.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Toronto being a top 4 farm

LOLZ

 

[hblueridgegal]

Team Canada summer showcase: U18 standouts and World Junior roster projection commentary:

 

[WreckingCrew]

Team Canada summer showcase: U18 standouts and World Junior roster projection commentary:

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Ronan Seeley = Jacob Slavin 2.0 confirmed

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

NHL TEAM PROSPECT POOL STRENGTH RANKINGS (JULY 2021 - POST DRAFT)

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source: Byron Bader

You belong to this service? After doing some research, this ranking seems questionable at best. If you do subscribe maybe you have some knowledge on these rankings.

 

[bleedgreen]

You belong to this service? After doing some research, this ranking seems questionable at best. If you do subscribe maybe you have some knowledge on these rankings.

Too high or too low? We definitely aren’t what we were a few years ago.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Too high or too low? We definitely aren’t what we were a few years ago.

Hockey Prospecting standardizes player scoring across the board and uses historical performances to chart how prospects will perform in the NHL. Our model removes intangible biases such as age, size, league, position and nationality. We do this by putting all players on the same playing field, based on their offensive production. Too often a player’s size, age or background is held against them. Not here.

Trying to weigh QMJHL the same as SHL, Liiga, etc seems like a mistake to me. One has one of the worst defense focus and the other is playing against men.

Maybe I am not understanding all of it but from their descriptions it seems suspect.

 

[bleedgreen]

Hockey Prospecting standardizes player scoring across the board and uses historical performances to chart how prospects will perform in the NHL. Our model removes intangible biases such as age, size, league, position and nationality. We do this by putting all players on the same playing field, based on their offensive production. Too often a player’s size, age or background is held against them. Not here.

Trying to weigh QMJHL the same as SHL, Liiga, etc seems like a mistake to me. One has one of the worst defense focus and the other is playing against men.

Naybe I am not understanding all of it but from their descriptions it seems suspect.

I agree they aren’t all the same but I doubt many will agree about how much or which direction. The Q is useless for judging but I’ve found all euro leagues to be equally useless for extrapolating anything in terms of offense by looking at stats. Different mindset and roles.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

I agree they aren’t all the same but I doubt many will agree about how much or which direction. The Q is useless for judging but I’ve found all euro leagues to be equally useless for extrapolating anything in terms of offense by looking at stats. Different mindset and roles.

I agree but their entire model is based on offense. How are Euro prospects measured accurately when scoring 20 points as a 17 year is amazing! Or putting up more than a PPG in the Q is not the cream of the crop?

Then you start looking at Toronto is 4th and was last year? Calgary, Toronto, and Minnesota over Rangers, NJ, and Ottawa? That model looks bad.
Again maybe Im not giving it a fair shake.

 

[hblueridgegal]

Is Bokk playing in Germany? He calls it the pre-season in an Insta story. The team he's playing with starts the season on 9/10.

re: the rankings above..it was posted on several hockey news and blogger accounts on Twitter and Instagram and on some team sites on Reddit. Supposedly, the group is known for taking a difference approach as well as having less inherent fan bias in the assessments?

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Is Bokk playing in Germany? He calls it the pre-season in an Insta story. The team he's playing with starts the season on 9/10.

re: the rankings above..it was posted on several hockey news and blogger accounts on Twitter and Instagram and on some team sites on Reddit. Supposedly, the group is known for taking a difference approach as well as having less inherent fan bias in the assessments?

I believe Aho still skates with his old Finnish team in preseasons. This is probably something similar.

 

[Discipline Daddy]

Can we do the prospect ranking thing? Apologies if I haven't seen it yet.

Also, I know it's probably more accurate do to the thing where we all PM DaveG our top 20 list and then Dave aggregates them and figures out a ranking. However, I think it's more fun to do the one where we vote on #1, then vote on #2, and so on down the line. Also it takes longer and frankly we have a lot of days before the season starts. Also we have a weird system where I think we'll largely have a consensus in the top 5 or so, but then have massive disparities. Our pool doesn't have the best top end, but we have the best depth in the league in that we have like 30 legit prospects, each of whom COULD pan out, but the vast majority of which will bust.

What say ye?

 

[DaveG]

Can we do the prospect ranking thing? Apologies if I haven't seen it yet.

Also, I know it's probably more accurate do to the thing where we all PM DaveG our top 20 list and then Dave aggregates them and figures out a ranking. However, I think it's more fun to do the one where we vote on #1, then vote on #2, and so on down the line. Also it takes longer and frankly we have a lot of days before the season starts. Also we have a weird system where I think we'll largely have a consensus in the top 5 or so, but then have massive disparities. Our pool doesn't have the best top end, but we have the best depth in the league in that we have like 30 legit prospects, each of whom COULD pan out, but the vast majority of which will bust.

What say ye?

I'll probably be starting that up a bit later this month. No prospect camp to get a view of the new guys kinda throws a wrench in to things like seeing how they compare to guys already in our system. Though thankfully we did get a bit of a view of some like Morrow at the U-18 showcase there recently.

 

[hblueridgegal]

I believe Aho still skates with his old Finnish team in preseasons. This is probably something similar.

Yes, you're correct. The photographer calls him "a training guest."

Some of the players on that team look older and weathered. So, may Bokk would fit in well with the new version of the Canes/Wolves.

 

[Savant]

Do y’all do a top prospect board vote in these parts

 

[DaveG]

Do y’all do a top prospect board vote in these parts

Yep, usually I just have people send in their top 15 prospects, tabulate all the lists, and post up the end result. Think I'll start things up on Saturday since I'll be bored out of my mind at work.

 

[mikeyfan]

Per SBNation here are the Canes top 10 prospects.

10. Anttoni Honka , RHD
9. Ville Koivunen, LW
8. Pyota Kochetkov, G
7. Scott Mottow, RHD
6. Tuukka Tieksola, RW
5. Jamieson Rees, C/W
4. Dominik Bokk, RW
3. Jack Drury, C
2. Ryan Suzuki, C
1. Seth Jarvis,

Here is the link to the article

Carolina Hurricanes Top Prospects: 1-10

 

[Tryamw]

I'll probably be starting that up a bit later this month. No prospect camp to get a view of the new guys kinda throws a wrench in to things like seeing how they compare to guys already in our system. Though thankfully we did get a bit of a view of some like Morrow at the U-18 showcase there recently.

So you're suggesting we just toss them all in a blender? and see what comes out?

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

Wheeler's Top 50 Prospects: NHL top 50 prospects, 2021 edition: Byfield, Caufield and Power headline Wheeler’s drafted skaters ranking


Our only entry in the top 50 is Jarvis (#36), and Gunler is mentioned in the Honorable Mentions, so I think it's safe to say he's Wheeler's #2 in our organization.

 

[hblueridgegal]

The Central gang is back together

 

[MinJaBen]

The Central gang is back together

All the playoff teams, anyway.

 

[hblueridgegal]

The details..

The Hurricanes' roster for the event features 14 players drafted by the team, including four players selected in the 2021 NHL Draft: Patrik Hamrla (third round), Bobby Orr (fifth round), Justin Robidas (fifth round) and Bryce Montgomery (sixth round). Other Hurricanes' draft picks on the roster include Ryan Suzuki (2019, first round), Seth Jarvis (2020, first round), Jack Drury (2018, second round), Jamieson Rees (2019, second round), Stelio Mattheos (2017, third round), Eetu Makiniemi (2017, fourth round), David Cotton (2015, sixth round), Jesper Sellgren (2018, sixth round), Blake Murray (2019, sixth round) and Ronan Seeley (2020, seventh round). Trade acquisitions Dominik Bokk and Joey Keane and free-agent acquisition Beck Warm will also skate for Carolina at the four-team event.

Full Roster

 

[Joe McGrath]

I assume Ty Nash from Arizona is Tyson Nash’s son.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

The only bad thing about the "get as many darts as possible" strategy (one I think I've been the most vocal about than anyone as far as thinking it's a great idea) is that I think I'm going to have to stop having a summary level of knowledge of all of our prospects, there's just too many.

I forgot Justin Robidas existed until that post, and he's the son of a freaking NHLer.