Speculation: 2021-2022 Coyotes Roster Discussion II

[lanky]

I thibk it’s safe to say that mcTavish and Drysdale are untouchable.

Agreed

 

[moosemeister]

When does Schmaltz buyout get cheaper? He needs to gtfo

 

[hbk]

When does Schmaltz buyout get cheaper? He needs to gtfo

Apparently he’s playing hurt (hand).

 

[RemoAZ]

Apparently he’s playing hurt (hand).

Why would he need to play hurt for this team? That makes zero sense. Does he have a bonus for games played?

 

[Heldig]

So, not enough grief gets thrown at the Habs on the main board IMO. Constant digs at the Coyotes and the blatant tanking and constant losing etc.

What about Montreal? After dealing with the over the top homerisms (Caulfield is a top 50 player in the league, Suzuki a top 20 C, arguably the deepest forward roster in the league, one of the best D cores in the league...) that only got worse during the cup final run they are worse than a makeshift Coyotes team.

Suzuki signs a long term deal (almost $8 million per for 8 years) and is on a 46 point pace.

Anderson, Gallagher, Dvorak, Toffoli, Armia, Petry and Edmundson all signed to expensive long term deals. Then add Weber AND Price's deals

 

[hbk]

Why would he need to play hurt for this team? That makes zero sense. Does he have a bonus for games played?

He can play. Can’t take faceoffs well. Probably hurts his puck skills as well. Everyone plays with ailments. Nobody goes through a season fully healthy. Always knicks and bruises. .

 

[hbk]

So, not enough grief gets thrown at the Habs on the main board IMO. Constant digs at the Coyotes and the blatant tanking and constant losing etc.

What about Montreal? After dealing with the over the top homerisms (Caulfield is a top 50 player in the league, Suzuki a top 20 C, arguably the deepest forward roster in the league, one of the best D cores in the league...) that only got worse during the cup final run they are worse than a makeshift Coyotes team.

Suzuki signs a long term deal (almost $8 million per for 8 years) and is on a 46 point pace.

Anderson, Gallagher, Dvorak, Toffoli, Armia, Petry and Edmundson all signed to expensive long term deals. Then add Weber AND Price's deals

My common response is “we are bad on purpose, what’s your teams excuse?”

 

[Vinny Boombatz]

It's too bad that BA didn't add a secondary clause onto the 1st clause that if indeed Montreal finishes in the bottom 10, then Coyotes could select Carolina pick or take Montreal's 1st in '23...that would have been perfect - 2 shots at Bedard & Michkov

 

[AZviaNJ]

He can play. Can’t take faceoffs well. Probably hurts his puck skills as well. Everyone plays with ailments. Nobody goes through a season fully healthy. Always knicks and bruises. .

At 39.6% for his career Schmaltz has never taken faceoffs well

 

[AZviaNJ]

It's too bad that BA didn't add a secondary clause onto the 1st clause that if indeed Montreal finishes in the bottom 10, then Coyotes could select Carolina pick or take Montreal's 1st in '23...that would have been perfect - 2 shots at Bedard & Michkov

Really good point. Montreal isn’t going to flip a switch and become a playoff team next season.

 

[moosemeister]

Apparently he’s playing hurt (hand).

For three years?

 

[Jamieh]

For three years?

He was born with a severely undersized heart, it's fairly easy to see. Might also suffer from haphephobia, that's why he kinda skates around by himself most of the time.

 

[rt]

Evander Kane will have some suitors if he becomes free agent - Sportsnet.ca

Marek saying the price is a young roster player, a “high-end” prospect, and a 1st.

Cites LAK, “perhaps” STL, and ”certainly” ANA. But says 10 teams have made inquiries. AZ has received some offers that have given them “cause for pause”.

It all comes down to what “high-end” means. Byfield is probably too “high-end”. Brandt Clarke qualifies. But does Alex Turcotte? How about Gabe Vilardi? Neither of those names give me “cause for pause”.

Same goes for Anaheim. McTavish perks me right up. Perrault? Yawwwwwwn.

It’s the inclusion of STL that freaks me out. They simply don’t have a prospect do this caliber. Makes me assume it’s Jake Nieghbors. I like the kid an awful lot. But if he’s “high-end” then so are Turcotte and Perreault. Which scares me.

I mean, what do we really think about:

Nieghbors, Kostin, 1st

or

Lundestrom, Perreault, 1st

or

Turcotte, Bjornfot, 1st

???

That’s all pretty bad. Like terrible. Now the optimist in me wants to hope that it’s actually McTavish, Mahura and a 1st. Or Clarke, Kupari and a 1st. That would all be okay. But then I remember St Louis. They don’t have that.

 

[XX]

The proposed deals are just getting worse over time. I don't buy half of what I'm hearing because BA runs an incredibly tight ship.

If you could get a Chychrun caliber 23yo on one of the best contracts in the league for 2 A-ish assets and a roster player then why would you ever bother with the draft? A PPG caliber player with control at half his market value AAV is worth 2.5 pieces? f*** that.

 

[rt]

The proposed deals are just getting worse over time. I don't buy half of what I'm hearing because BA runs an incredibly tight ship.

If you could get a Chychrun caliber 23yo on one of the best contracts in the league for 2 A-ish assets and a roster player then why would you ever bother with the draft? A PPG caliber player with control at half his market value AAV is worth 2.5 pieces? f*** that.

I hate my proposals in my last post. I’m just trying to apply the formula.

I now hate all Chychrun proposals that don’t include Mason McTavish.

 

[Grimes]

I hate my proposals in my last post. I’m just trying to apply the formula.

I now hate all Chychrun proposals that don’t include Mason McTavish.

Main piece tier list:
Would make me happy: Clarke or McTavish
Could convince myself it's good: Kakko, Schneider, Neighbors, Broberg/Holloway
Disappointed: Bjornfot, Turcotte, Lundestrom

I still think Lundell is a dark horse. He is cooling down a little and FLA could could use more support in the back

 

[XX]

I still think Lundell is a dark horse. He is cooling down a little and FLA could could use more support in the back

Contenders are going to be really, really protective of any scoring that is on their ELC, especially at center. The trick is to trade for a guy about to break out but hasn't contributed a ton at the NHL level for 900k.

 

[Grimes]

Contenders are going to be really, really protective of any scoring that is on their ELC, especially at center. The trick is to trade for a guy about to break out but hasn't contributed a ton at the NHL level for 900k.

Agreed. But FLA is one of the few teams who may not need more scoring. The traded Trochek for very little two seasons ago. Again more of a dark horse but if Lundell stays quiet you never know.

 

[lanky]

I think Lundell is even less available than Byfield or McTavish.

 

[rt]

Chychrun+VAN 2nd for McTavish+Mahura+ANA 1st.

I don’t think Mahura is terribly important. So I guess this basically McTavish and 25-35 draft slots for Chychrun.

 

[rt]

I think Lundell is even less available than Byfield or McTavish.

There are a handful of HF Anaheim fans that are open to Chychrun for McTavish. Much more so than Kings fans open to Byfield.

I like Neighbors, but not as a Chychrun centerpiece. Turcotte and Vilardi are okay. A bit worrying. I don’t like either as a centerpiece.

Clarke is an okay centerpiece. And either Kupari or Bjornfot (or even Mikey Anderson) are okay young roster pieces added to Clarke. And the LA 1st is nice.

 

[Vinny Boombatz]

I'd rather just keep Chychrun to be honest...but McTavish is the only one that gets me excited.

 

[cobra427]

Chych has had too many injuries, almost every year, and only 1 good year goal scoring. This year he has been exposed on D a little too, he isn't top pairing on the D side yet. I think we keep him, he can still develop some more, but be prepared for an underwhelming return if BA moves him now.

 

[rt]

I'd rather just keep Chychrun to be honest...but McTavish is the only one that gets me excited.

Would you do Clarke their 1st (top 2 protected) and your choice of Kupari/Bjornfot/Anderson?

 

[JasonDemersWasOkay]

A bit new in latest 32 thoughts podcast. Teams believe the coyotes are “motivated” to move chychrun soon because they don’t want this hanging over them and they don’t want him to get injured again when he returns.

Friedman says the kings have been looking at Chychrun for a while, he specifically mentioned Neighbors when bringing up St. Louis, and the general belief is a trade could happen pretty soon.

Also Tampa Bay could be a partner for Crouse.