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nopuckluck74

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Uncle said:
hard to say, nobody feels like they have that 1st overall hype like Fantilli wouldve.. after Fantilli there seems to be a block of 4 or 5 players around the same level.
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Their challenge is they need everything.

I would be surprised if they chose another smaller utility player. They already have lots in the lineup.

Nelson is great for his size, but he could be a project type player at the next level and NB needs results quickly.

There’s several good sized D-Men but mostly of the defensive variety - not top 10 players.

That leaves a handful of bigger forwards and seems like Barker is being put at the top of that list.

That would be my bet.

Is he a good player that sticks out on a weak team or a great player on any team?

That’s the 1M question.

They didn’t play a lot of important games this season against strong opposition.
 

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nothappy said:
Anybody seen Luca play? Can he play In the OHL? If he could, North Bay might draft Adam Fantilli first overall then go to the family, offer a spot on the team to Luca. Give Luca a good OHL CIS package and give Adam a first round package that he might not take advantage of if he as good as everyone says. North Bay could get two players for 2/3 years for the price of one.
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Why wouldn't the Dogs hold onto Luca , and try to get Adam from where ever he lands ? That way the Dogs take no risk with potential upside. ( I believe that is why they drafted Luca in the first place , it was always about Adam) The Battalion have little leverage , and for them to use a trade for Luca to get Adam is very risky, say they draft Adam and give up 2 high picks for Luca , and both sale off into the NCAA sunset , that would pretty much seal the rookie GM's fate .
 

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nopuckluck74 said:
Their challenge is they need everything.

I would be surprised if they chose another smaller utility player. They already have lots in the lineup.

Nelson is great for his size, but he could be a project type player at the next level and NB needs results quickly.

There’s several good sized D-Men but mostly of the defensive variety - not top 10 players.

That leaves a handful of bigger forwards and seems like Barker is being put at the top of that list.

That would be my bet.

Is he a good player that sticks out on a weak team or a great player on any team?

That’s the 1M question.

They didn’t play a lot of important games this season against strong opposition.
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Not sure Barker is the guy at #1, and I dont think their is need to force for immediate results, this year is another building year... the next after that is the big one.
 

nopuckluck74

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Uncle said:
Not sure Barker is the guy at #1, and I dont think their is need to force for immediate results, this year is another building year... the next after that is the big one.
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I just can’t see taking a Fimis or Nelson at #1. Good smaller players but look to be full grown and uncertain what they would do on weaker teams against much bigger, stronger opposition.
 
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nopuckluck74

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Who you play with has such a massive impact on what you can do on the ice and how you look in a game. Most scouts have a hard time with that.

This is especially true this year with such a flat draft.

The trend has gone towards these super teams with very few if any weak players.

They create great teams, but they also can make individual players look much better than they really are.

Some of these higher ranked OMHA kids and even some top GTHL kids have no one to play with.

JRC and the Marlies will probably have most of their defenceman drafted - several of them in the first couple rounds.

I think people who don’t play hockey don’t realize how much that helps forwards create offence and spend most of their time in the offensive zone.

Some other forwards might have one d-man on their team drafted. They get a pass on their tape maybe once a game. They are constantly backchecking just to get the puck.

Now - most players are on the super team because they are good. But not every good kid can play on one or two teams. Not everyone is prepared to move or go to a hockey school - etc.

Same goes for D-men. If you have 9 strong forwards, how much D do you really have to play against most teams?

Put a lot of good together and good can look great, no?
 
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nopuckluck74 said:
Who you play with has such a massive impact on what you can do on the ice and how you look in a game. Most scouts have a hard time with that.

This is especially true this year with such a flat draft.

The trend has gone towards these super teams with very few if any weak players.

They create great teams, but they also can make individual players look much better than they really are.

Some of these higher ranked OMHA kids and even some top GTHL kids have no one to play with.

JRC and the Marlies will probably have most of their defenceman drafted - several of them in the first couple rounds.

I think people who don’t play hockey don’t realize how much that helps forwards create offence and spend most of their time in the offensive zone.

Some other forwards might have one d-man on their team drafted. They get a pass on their tape maybe once a game. They are constantly backchecking just to get the puck.

Now - most players are on the super team because they are good. But not every good kid can play on one or two teams. Not everyone is prepared to move or go to a hockey school - etc.

Same goes for D-men. If you have 9 strong forwards, how much D do you really have to play against most teams?

Put a lot of good together and good can look great, no?
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That is about as realistic as you can get it in the CHL as a whole.
 

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nothappy said:
Anybody seen Luca play? Can he play In the OHL? If he could, North Bay might draft Adam Fantilli first overall then go to the family, offer a spot on the team to Luca. Give Luca a good OHL CIS package and give Adam a first round package that he might not take advantage of if he as good as everyone says. North Bay could get two players for 2/3 years for the price of one.
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Luca is 6' lt dman that can skate like the wind and has some smarts. Very serviceable dman and would fit into NB's bottom 3 d spots easily.
 

OHL Fan

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How about NB drafting Fantilli with deal in place to trade to Niagara for 2nd pick overall(discussed in advance), plus other picks.
 

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nopuckluck74 said:
Who you play with has such a massive impact on what you can do on the ice and how you look in a game. Most scouts have a hard time with that.

This is especially true this year with such a flat draft.

The trend has gone towards these super teams with very few if any weak players.

They create great teams, but they also can make individual players look much better than they really are.

Some of these higher ranked OMHA kids and even some top GTHL kids have no one to play with.

JRC and the Marlies will probably have most of their defenceman drafted - several of them in the first couple rounds.

I think people who don’t play hockey don’t realize how much that helps forwards create offence and spend most of their time in the offensive zone.

Some other forwards might have one d-man on their team drafted. They get a pass on their tape maybe once a game. They are constantly backchecking just to get the puck.

Now - most players are on the super team because they are good. But not every good kid can play on one or two teams. Not everyone is prepared to move or go to a hockey school - etc.

Same goes for D-men. If you have 9 strong forwards, how much D do you really have to play against most teams?

Put a lot of good together and good can look great, no?
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excellent, well informed post.
 

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nopuckluck74 said:
Who you play with has such a massive impact on what you can do on the ice and how you look in a game. Most scouts have a hard time with that.

This is especially true this year with such a flat draft.

The trend has gone towards these super teams with very few if any weak players.

They create great teams, but they also can make individual players look much better than they really are.

Some of these higher ranked OMHA kids and even some top GTHL kids have no one to play with.

JRC and the Marlies will probably have most of their defenceman drafted - several of them in the first couple rounds.

I think people who don’t play hockey don’t realize how much that helps forwards create offence and spend most of their time in the offensive zone.

Some other forwards might have one d-man on their team drafted. They get a pass on their tape maybe once a game. They are constantly backchecking just to get the puck.

Now - most players are on the super team because they are good. But not every good kid can play on one or two teams. Not everyone is prepared to move or go to a hockey school - etc.

Same goes for D-men. If you have 9 strong forwards, how much D do you really have to play against most teams?

Put a lot of good together and good can look great, no?
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Thats why alot of smart scouts dont draft goalies on top teams. Rarely face quality shots or alot of them.
 

nopuckluck74

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Petes said:
imagine thinking 15 year olds are “full grown”
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Lots of kids are full grown height wise by 15/16, and some of them are pretty much full grown body wise by that age as well. Just depends on when they hit puberty.
 

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For a 3rd overall picked player declared a defect, the team is awarded the 5th pick and a pick at the end of round two. What is the compensation for the 2nd and 1st picks?
 

nopuckluck74

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nopuckluck74 said:
Here's heights for the Top 50 (Top 50 from Very Barrie Colts).

Not too many players over 6' going in anyway.

1. Adam Fantilli, C, Kimball Union Academy 6’ 2
2. Ty Nelson, RD, Toronto Jr. Canadiens 5’ 6
3. Pano Fimis, RC, Toronto Jr. Canadiens 5’ 8
4. Paul Ludwinski, LC, Toronto Marlboros 5’ 9
5. Hunter Haight, RC, Elgin Middlesex Chiefs 5’ 9
6. Dalyn Wakely, RC, Quinte Red Devils 5’ 10
7. Zak Lavoie, RW, Toronto Young Nationals 5’ 9
8. Matthew Poitras, RC, Whitby Wildcats 5’ 9
9. Cedrick Guindon, F, Rockland Nationals 5’ 8
10. Andrew LeBlanc, LC, Southern Tier Admirals 5’10
11. Isaiah George, LD, Toronto Marlboros 6’ 1
12. Bryce McConnell-Barker, LC, London Jr. Knights 6’ 1
13. Donovan McCoy, RD, Quinte Red Devils 6’ 0
14. Kocha Delic, LC, Toronto Titans 5’ 9
15. Justin Dezoete, F, Hamilton Huskies 6’ 1
16. Lorenzo Bonaiuto, F, Toronto Marlboros 6’ 2
17. David Goyette, LC, South Kent Selects Academy 5’10
18. Carson Christy, RW, Oshawa Generals 5’10
19. Matthew Jovanovic, LD, Toronto Marlboros 5’ 10
20. Jonathan Melee, F, Rockland Nationals 6’ 0
21 Alec Leonard, RD, Mississauga Reps 5’ 9
22 Nicholas Moldenhauer, RW, Toronto Titans 5’10
23 Brady Stonehouse, F, Elgin Middlesex Chiefs 5’8
24 Aaron Brown, D, Quinte Red Devils 6’1
25 Ryan McGuire, LC, Burlington Eagles 5’9
26 Owen Beck, C, Quinte Red Devils 5’10
27 Jackson Edward, RD, York-Simcoe Express 6’2
28 Jake Karabela, LC, Guelph Gryphons 5’9
29 George Fegaras, RD, Richmond Hill Coyotes 6’2
30 Aidan Castle, LW, Toronto Jr. Canadiens 5’10
31 Sam Alfano, RW, Southern Tier Admirals 6’3
32 Harrison Ballard, RC, York Simcoe Express 6’1
33 Brody Crane, F, Buffalo Jr. Sabres (Penn State) 5’9
34 Trent Swick, LW, Southern Tier Admirals 6’5
35 Cooper Matthews, RW, Quinte Red Devils 5’8
36 Patrick Thomas, C, Hamilton Huskies 5’9
37 Jorian Donovan, D, Kanata Lasers 6’0
38 Aaron Andrade, RW, Toronto Titans 6’1
39 Ryder McIntyre, RW, Ajax-Pickering Raiders 6’2
40 Devin Mauro, F, Soo Greyhounds 5’7
41 Rodion Tatarenko, LC, Toronto Red Wings 5’8
42 Koen Taves, D, Sun County Panthers 6’1
43 Cameron Lowe, LC, Southern Tier Admirals
44 Owen Van Steensel, LC, Elgin-Middlesex 5’8
45 Nathan Poole, LC, Oshawa Generals 6’0
46 Beau Jelsma, C, Buffalo Jr. Sabres 5’7
47 Brett Henderson, LW, Oakville Rangers 5’11
48 Jacob LeBlanc, RD, Southern Tier Admirals 5’10
49 Noah Van Vliet, LD, Toronto Jr. Canadiens 6’1
50 Thomas Sirman, RD, Toronto Jr. Canadiens 5’8
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I stand corrected. Jovanoic apparently more like 5'10.
 
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