Prospect Info: 2020 NHL Draft Thread Vol. 1

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  1. TB87 The Artist Formerly Known As Ted Brown

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    Curious to hear your guys thoughts on Thomas Bordeleau. Where do you think he gets picked?

    I'm trying to get in some viewings specifically on him. Got some Sanderson viewings in recently and I'm moving on to some Bordeleau-centric viewings
     
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    When I talk skating I'm more talking more about overall movement rather than just solely focusing on the feet. I don't really question his foot speed. It's fine. Good even in a straight line. He's a long strider and it shows in open ice, but a defenseman at the next level won't get a chance to showcase open ice skating too often, especially the type he projects as. It's much more about short area quickness. He's definitely a lot more comfortable going forward than in the other 3 directions. I just find him a bit too clumsy, off-balance, flat-footed, and just awkward throughout games, especially when he has to change directions. He's really tentative when he has to pick up loose pucks along the boards. It's as he's fully aware of his limitations. He's kind of got the opposite issue that St. Ivany has. St. Ivany lacks short area explosiveness, but his edge work and balance is really pretty solid overall. I'm much more forgiving if a defenseman's skating knocks are speed related as opposed to change of direction related.

    Villeneuve's pace slows down dramatically as a puck carrier. He's a puck pusher and not really a puck handler. You'll notice if he's forced to carry the puck in the DZ, he'll give it a big push forward and try to generate speed that way rather than using quick cross-overs and having firm control of the puck. I'm not sure that will fly at the next level. I'm not expecting Poirier-level ability, who can fly out of the DZ and weave through the NZ with ease, but even if you compare him to another peer Charlie Desroches, who is nothing but a late round marginal prospect, Desroches is a much, much better skater at this time. I'd also like to see him move more in the offensive zone. He can be a bit too stationary.

    Realizing this sounds overly critical, I do like him as a prospect. This is only one area of the game, albeit probably the second most important aspect. And it's not always bad. Just a little more than I'd expect from a player with his pedigree. I just think second round is a little too rich for me. Especially without a third round pick. My rankings are still pretty tentative, but I have him as the ~15th best D. He'll almost certainly go later than that since I didn't even rank players that are almost certainly going before him so equate that how you will.

    The Saint John coaches definitely seem to trust him a lot more than Poirier fwiw.
     
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    If he’s still on the board in the 4th Rd, I’d be in favor of the Flyers drafting Eamon Powell at #119. Lots to like about this player.
     
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    Motherducking Kings. I wanted this lad.
     
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    He was a second round pick for me.
     
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    Matthew Savoie got caught on the tracks.

    [​IMG]
     
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    Blindside
     
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    In all seriousness, hope this wasnt a serious injury. that was viscious.
     
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    I hope the scout Ryan is referring to here isn’t Nick Pryor (Flyers USHL scout):


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    We had our early edition draft last month on the Habs board. How happy/angry would you be with that haul:
    HF Habs: - 6th Annual Early Bird Mock Draft 2020: Covid-19 edition (Complete! with final stats)
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    25 - Braden Schneider (RD) - Brandon (WHL)
    56- Will Cuylle (LW) - Windsor (OHL)
    118 - Simon Knak (RW) - Portland (WHL)
    149 - Ilya Usov (C) - Prince Albert (WHL)
    180 - David Ma (LD) - Shattuck St. Mary's (USHS-Prep) and Princeton University
    194 - Stephen Halliday (LW) - Dubuque (USHL) and University of North Dakota
    211 - Joseph Tucker Tynan (G) - Niagara Icedogs (OHL)
     
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    Before i respond, i need to check and see how many games they captained their national team for. Ill get back to you shortly.
     
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    That mock draft haul is an abomination. For shame
     
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    I doubt he goes first round. Just seems like those guys with those type of profiles don’t go there anymore. Somewhere in the second round I could see it though.
     
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    I have him penciled in for a range of 50-67 (late second / early third). He's tagged as a guy I like for the top end of that range or a bit of a reach but certainly not first round. The other defencemen I have in that block are Shakir Mukhamadulin, Yan Kuznetsov, Eemil Viro, and Michael Benning, for reference.
     
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    I assume people here are not fan of Schneider and Cuylle :laugh:
     
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    Late 2nd/early 3rd makes sense. Viro and Benning on that list of yours would appear to be solid bets in that range. Mukhamadulin and Kuznetsov didn't do much for me in my viewings. Liked Kuznetsov in particular less and less the more viewings I got in of him.
     
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    This page is like a list of my least favorite defensemen relative to consensus. :laugh:
     
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    Schneider folds under any kind of pressure when he gets forechecked (throws the puck away at the first sign of danger; even if there isn't any danger), and Cuylle's JAG. I'll grant that Schneider is a genuinely good defenseman in his own zone. I just don't think he'll be all that helpful at the NHL level when trying to breakout with any kind of possession/control. If Schneider gets that figured out at some point, he'd be a lot more valuable than he is now.
     
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    Get out of my head!

    I like Benning as a late second / early third sleeper but I think someone will take him sooner. I am really low on Carter Savoie, who I think is dragging Benning's value up.

    I am a Mukhamadulin fan as well, but again as a sleeper and he seems to be a favourite "off the board first round" pick right now. He definitely got a hype bump post-Superbowl halftime show due to name recognition.

    Kuznetsov falling for me all year. Started bubble-first, solidly bubble-second now.
     
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    Savoie’s a mess. Mukhamadulin got turnstiled fairly frequently in my viewings. I heard buzz about this player and decided I had to tune in and....I just don’t see it with this player.



    My guys right now who’ll get picked anywhere from Rds 2-4:
    Daniil Gushchin
    Eamon Powell
    Jack Finley
    Ronan Seeley
    Wyatt Kaiser
    Sean Farrell
    Ozzy Wiesblatt
     
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    Do you all think Luke Tuch is a worthy trade-up candidate for the flyers in the 2nd round? Has some raw talent.
     
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    :thumbd:

    Only trade up scenarios I’m in favor of are ones like with Brink last year. A clear first round talent falls within range for whatever reason. That ain’t Tuch. I’m not sure I’d take him anywhere let alone a second round trade up.
     
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