Prospect Info: 2020 NHL Draft - Part III

[glenwo2]

why are people so defensive about this?

the whole risk with a “build through the draft” strategy is hitting on draft picks. Is Nico a bad pick? No. Was Nico the best pick? Also no. Scouts and GMs are paid to make these decisions. We’re killing Lou for taking Matteau instead of forfeiting the pick. But everyone is fine that Shero missed on elite talent? Nico + Fialla isn’t getting you Petterson, Heiskanen, or Makar.

tail, what part of "THE ENTIRE NHL PUNDITS(that's everyone, btw) had Nico / Patrick in the top 2" isn't clear to you?

And I just mentioned that we can play the Hindsight game but it doesn't matter 'cause at the time, Nico and Patrick were viewed as *THE* top picks.

Complaining about things AFTER we see other players develop and BE UTILIZED MORE PROPERLY ON *OTHER TEAMS* is pretty silly at this point.

Calm the bleep down, please.

 

[glenwo2]

I wonder if Makar or Heiskanen would still be considered future Norris candidates playing in the Hynes/Nas wundar-system.

No, they wouldn't even be viewed as Above-average here by the hockey world.

"Grass is always greener on the side", blahblahblah by some here constantly.

 

[Mike27Devils]

I was on board with him but now not knowing the draft slots because of these play in games and stuff he might not be there for the AZ pick. He's the shut down defender this team has been missing for a long time.

If we get pushed back to 8 or 9 I think there's a solid chance we take him with that pick. I'd pick him over Perfetti and Holtz.

 

[Spoiled Bratt]

really would love to walk away with one of Drysdale or Sanderson....

2020 Draft prospect Jake Sanderson has everything you want in a defenseman - TheHockeyNews

“For a defenseman, the No. 1 skill you can have is the ability to close out plays defensively, to eliminate time and space from your opponents, to kill plays and then to get your team on offense,” said NTDP coach Seth Appert. “He’s the best in the world in this draft year at that and it’s probably by a country mile. He’s an elite-skating defenseman and he uses that skating to really eliminate time and space and close out plays and create turnovers.”

I’ve been saying for the past couple of weeks that Sanderson will most definitely get picked in the top#8, if not earlier.

He’s not flashy like Drysdale but he’s the type of player you win with. I don’t know anyone who wouldn’t like to add a potential 1st pairing, minute munching dman that’s effective in every facet of the game.

This might sound unpopular but if we decide to go with Sanderson with our own pick, I won’t be pissed one bit.

 

[R8Devs]

I think with the Devils first pick (98% chance of being in the top 8) they are almost guaranteed one of Stutzle, Rossi, Holtz, Raymond, Drysdale, Perfetti so I'd just pick one of them. For a defenseman I'd just use one of the other picks on them (if Sanderson is available later with none of the above guys on the board) or guys like Wallinder, Andrae are possibilities if the Devils get Vancouver's pick.

 

[KinCornKarn]

why are people so defensive about this?

the whole risk with a “build through the draft” strategy is hitting on draft picks. Is Nico a bad pick? No. Was Nico the best pick? Also no. Scouts and GMs are paid to make these decisions. We’re killing Lou for taking Matteau instead of forfeiting the pick. But everyone is fine that Shero missed on elite talent? Nico + Fialla isn’t getting you Petterson, Heiskanen, or Makar.

People get defensive because it is just silly to second guess the pick. No one i can remember even suggested anyone other than Hischier or Patrick. There were a couple of vague tweets that hinted the Devils may take Makar but they were not taken very seriously. So maybe you can have that. Otherwise nothing. Here are some threads. Find me where anyone thought picking Petterson, Makar, or Heiskanen was a realistic option. It is hard to criticize something that was the right move at the time. Killing Lamoriello is a whole different story. Most were stunned from the get go that he did not forfeit that pick. It was an asinine move at the time and it looks even worse in hindsight. It may have been the single dumbest decision i have ever seen a GM make in any sport. Everyone at the time could see it. No second guessing, no hindsight, no redrafting three years later needed.

https://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/nolan-patrick-vs-nico-hischier-iii.2350095/
Prospect Info: - Patrick vs Nico II: Tragic for Patrick or Torpedo for Nico?
GDT: - Draft Lotto - Rollin for Nolan. 8(ish)PM. DEVILS PICK 1ST OVERALL
Contact high poll: Nolan vs Nico vs Other
HF's Team Board Mock Draft
Revisiting Nico vs Nolan - 2nd Voting
Official 2017 NHL Draft Thread (Part III): FLYERS AWARDED THE SECOND PICK

 

[Billdo]

If we get pushed back to 8 or 9 I think there's a solid chance we take him with that pick. I'd pick him over Perfetti and Holtz.

I think our pick stays where it is or we win the lottery, I hope at least.

 

[Devils731]

I think our pick stays where it is or we win the lottery, I hope at least.

The most likely outcome of the lottery is the Devils picking 7 or 8. There is a 58% chance they’re picking from one of those spots.

 

[Spoiled Bratt]

I think with the Devils first pick (98% chance of being in the top 8) they are almost guaranteed one of Stutzle, Rossi, Holtz, Raymond, Drysdale, Perfetti so I'd just pick one of them. For a defenseman I'd just use one of the other picks on them (if Sanderson is available later with none of the above guys on the board) or guys like Wallinder, Andrae are possibilities if the Devils get Vancouver's pick.

I’m not a fan of Perfetti with our pick and I think he might be the one from the top #8 to fall out of that group. As for Holtz, he has a laser of a shot but his overall game is a little concerning. I want a kid with tremendous upside with our own pick and to me, Sanderson has that over both the guys I mentioned.

The only real head scratcher would be if Rossi or Raymond would be on the board but that’s just my opinion.

 

[DevilsJunkie]

I understand that it is only a hype reel, but by God, some of the plays Byfield made in it made me go from six to midnight lickety-split.

Also, those Wolves sweaters are one of the best in all sport. Amazing.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

You already decided he was a bust.

Lol no. But he had a miserable season.

 

[OmNomNom]

had a dream that mentioned wallinder

 

[joshdright]

So for the Devils to receive the 8th overall pick from Arizona which would be base case scenario, none of the first round teams win the lottery with arizona losing and both montreal and chicago winning their series? If the devils could grab two guys from that elite eight, that would be huge.

 

[My3Sons]

I understand that it is only a hype reel, but by God, some of the plays Byfield made in it made me go from six to midnight lickety-split.

Also, those Wolves sweaters are one of the best in all sport. Amazing.

Great profile picture. Love that album.

 

[VoidCreature]

Drysdale and Sanderson will both go top 10.

Last two drafts have proven teams will reach for need.

Might even see another d-man join them in the top 10.

 

[SJinNewJersey]

really would love to walk away with one of Drysdale or Sanderson....

I would like them both.

 

[My3Sons]

I would like them both.

That would be interesting if NJ was able to get Drysdale with their pick and Sanderson with the AZ pick. It makes a certain amount of sense if you are sold on them as top pair upside players.

 

[tailfins]

People get defensive because it is just silly to second guess the pick. No one i can remember even suggested anyone other than Hischier or Patrick. There were a couple of vague tweets that hinted the Devils may take Makar but they were not taken very seriously. So maybe you can have that. Otherwise nothing. Here are some threads. Find me where anyone thought picking Petterson, Makar, or Heiskanen was a realistic option. It is hard to criticize something that was the right move at the time. Killing Lamoriello is a whole different story. Most were stunned from the get go that he did not forfeit that pick. It was an asinine move at the time and it looks even worse in hindsight. It may have been the single dumbest decision i have ever seen a GM make in any sport. Everyone at the time could see it. No second guessing, no hindsight, no redrafting three years later needed.

https://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/nolan-patrick-vs-nico-hischier-iii.2350095/
Prospect Info: - Patrick vs Nico II: Tragic for Patrick or Torpedo for Nico?
GDT: - Draft Lotto - Rollin for Nolan. 8(ish)PM. DEVILS PICK 1ST OVERALL
Contact high poll: Nolan vs Nico vs Other
HF's Team Board Mock Draft
Revisiting Nico vs Nolan - 2nd Voting
Official 2017 NHL Draft Thread (Part III): FLYERS AWARDED THE SECOND PICK

If all it takes to run a draft is to read a bunch of other people's reporting, then fire the scouts.

In 2012, if you traded your #11OA in 2014 for 2012 #29 OA and 2014 #30OA, you'd have gotten a lot of people saying it was a good trade.The problem was that the picks were Matteau and Quenneville. The reality is that Lamoriello is getting crushed (rightly) for making bad picks. Had the Devils picked Pearson in 2012 and Demko in 2014, people would view the move very differently.

Meanwhile, Shero drove the team into a ditch and planned for multiple years of "building through the draft". He then got the top overall pick that he needed. He built a whole strategy around that pick. With that much riding on it, it's unbelievable to me that he doesn't take more flak.

I get that Nico is a good player, is important to the team, and we don't want to root against our own players. But, in 2020, no one is trading Makar, Heiskanen or Petterson for Hischier. I don't care what you think about how those players would perform on the Devils - if you're offered those deals, you make them in a heartbeat.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

this board absolutely loves revisionist history

 

[ChicksDigTheTrap]

If all it takes to run a draft is to read a bunch of other people's reporting, then fire the scouts.

In 2012, if you traded your #11OA in 2014 for 2012 #29 OA and 2014 #30OA, you'd have gotten a lot of people saying it was a good trade.The problem was that the picks were Matteau and Quenneville. The reality is that Lamoriello is getting crushed (rightly) for making bad picks. Had the Devils picked Pearson in 2012 and Demko in 2014, people would view the move very differently.

Meanwhile, Shero drove the team into a ditch and planned for multiple years of "building through the draft". He then got the top overall pick that he needed. He built a whole strategy around that pick. With that much riding on it, it's unbelievable to me that he doesn't take more flak.

I get that Nico is a good player, is important to the team, and we don't want to root against our own players. But, in 2020, no one is trading Makar, Heiskanen or Petterson for Hischier. I don't care what you think about how those players would perform on the Devils - if you're offered those deals, you make them in a heartbeat.

You can say that as many times as you want, it does not make it true. Shero made many trades - many involved trading picks for players. If you actually understood player aging curves, you would understand that players peak in the 24-25 year old range. You do not build a winner through the draft in a 4-5 year time frame.

 

[glenwo2]

If all it takes to run a draft is to read a bunch of other people's reporting, then fire the scouts.

In 2012, if you traded your #11OA in 2014 for 2012 #29 OA and 2014 #30OA, you'd have gotten a lot of people saying it was a good trade.The problem was that the picks were Matteau and Quenneville. The reality is that Lamoriello is getting crushed (rightly) for making bad picks. Had the Devils picked Pearson in 2012 and Demko in 2014, people would view the move very differently.

And if my Aunt had a beard....


Good grief.

You're hanging onto the past and what-if's via HINDSIGHT.

I like to focus on what we have now instead of lamenting about what YOU wanted us to have.

But, in 2020, no one is trading Makar, Heiskanen or Petterson for Hischier. I don't care what you think about how those players would perform on the Devils - if you're offered those deals, you make them in a heartbeat.

Actually we DO care but back then, could we predict the future? NO! WE COULDN'T.

'Cause back then it was Nico and Patrick. That's it.

It's time for you to get over it already.

 

[KinCornKarn]

If all it takes to run a draft is to read a bunch of other people's reporting, then fire the scouts.

In 2012, if you traded your #11OA in 2014 for 2012 #29 OA and 2014 #30OA, you'd have gotten a lot of people saying it was a good trade.The problem was that the picks were Matteau and Quenneville. The reality is that Lamoriello is getting crushed (rightly) for making bad picks. Had the Devils picked Pearson in 2012 and Demko in 2014, people would view the move very differently.

Meanwhile, Shero drove the team into a ditch and planned for multiple years of "building through the draft". He then got the top overall pick that he needed. He built a whole strategy around that pick. With that much riding on it, it's unbelievable to me that he doesn't take more flak.

I get that Nico is a good player, is important to the team, and we don't want to root against our own players. But, in 2020, no one is trading Makar, Heiskanen or Petterson for Hischier. I don't care what you think about how those players would perform on the Devils - if you're offered those deals, you make them in a heartbeat.

Last I checked they both got themselves fired. It is easy to like Heiskanen, Makar, or Petterson three years after the draft. Show me the people clamoring for them at the time and I'll be impresses.

There is no justifying not forfeiting the 2012 pick. Lamoriello made a laughing stock out of himself. Everyone knew it was a mistake the moment he kept it. He made a bad mistake worse with terrible drafting.

I dont see what any of this has to do with this year's draft anyway. Instead of lamenting 2017 you could be excited about potentially coming away with three players in what looks like a terrific class. This time go on record with who you want so three years later you can be right.

 

[ChicksDigTheTrap]

And if my Aunt had a beard....


Good grief.

You're hanging onto the past and what-if's via HINDSIGHT.

I like to focus on what we have now instead of lamenting about what YOU wanted us to have.



Actually we DO care but back then, could we predict the future? NO! WE COULDN'T.

'Cause back then it was NICO and PATRICK. THAT'S IT.

NOW GET OVER IT!

The amazing thing to me is we have posts like this in the 2020 draft thread. This is a thread to look forward, not backward.

 

[glenwo2]

this board absolutely loves revisionist history

All I see is one person.


Don't see anyone else play the Hindsight game.

 

[Spoiled Bratt]

If all it takes to run a draft is to read a bunch of other people's reporting, then fire the scouts.

In 2012, if you traded your #11OA in 2014 for 2012 #29 OA and 2014 #30OA, you'd have gotten a lot of people saying it was a good trade.The problem was that the picks were Matteau and Quenneville. The reality is that Lamoriello is getting crushed (rightly) for making bad picks. Had the Devils picked Pearson in 2012 and Demko in 2014, people would view the move very differently.

Meanwhile, Shero drove the team into a ditch and planned for multiple years of "building through the draft". He then got the top overall pick that he needed. He built a whole strategy around that pick. With that much riding on it, it's unbelievable to me that he doesn't take more flak.

I get that Nico is a good player, is important to the team, and we don't want to root against our own players. But, in 2020, no one is trading Makar, Heiskanen or Petterson for Hischier. I don't care what you think about how those players would perform on the Devils - if you're offered those deals, you make them in a heartbeat.

If the draft was a perfect science, you wouldn’t need multiple scouts, flying all over the world to look at teenagers play hockey.

One of the best players in the game wasn’t picked 1st, 4th, 6th, 20th, 32nd or 50th overall. Nikita Kucherov was picked 58th overall, meaning every team in the league passed him up once and almost twice before Tampa snatched him up at the end of the 2nd round.

If you think that drafting isn’t all that hard, I’d like to know who you see being the best player in this years draft class, so we can revisit your post in 3 years.