Discussion in 'Basketball' started by Avs_19, Aug 15, 2020.
My prediction/guess for the Western Confernce Finals is: Lakers in 6.
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tl;dr - Kawhi had a really bad game at both ends of the floor.
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Mitchell was only tenth in votes among guards...
Clippers' collapse means that the Lakers are gonna win it all...
The Clippers desperately need leadership as well. Kawhi's a player but the guy is a robot, just not the type of guy who's going to rally the troops.
Chris Paul checks off all the boxes here.
Meh, both got a championship out of it so I don't think its that bad for them.
When you trade a top young player and a bunch of draft picks for a player.... then trade another first at the deadline.... that kind of says its championship or bust. Or when your two star players are only under contract for 2 years.
I'd like to know where Beal finished as well, believe hes the first guard ever to average 30 PPG and not make an All-NBA team.
The Raptors have a ring because of him. Give me a break with this narrative.
It’s possible for both things to be true.
Exactly. Toronto knew exactly what they were getting into and took a gamble and it paid off. I dont understand why they are so bitter, they won it all because of him, but are acting like he failed and then bolted.
No, it's not. He didn't give them a guarantee he was going to sign, quite the contrary. They got what they wanted out of him. I have no idea why some feel so entitled, like a needy partner. It's business, Raptors got what they paid for and then some, quit whining because he left after he did his job.
He made a bad decision and screwed over everyone he was involved with, including himself. Raps had a chance to repeat. He could’ve gotten more money and one more ring. Clippers wouldn’t have mortgaged their foreseeable future for PG.
It was a shortsighted decision and he’s diminished his own legacy as a result of all the criticism he’s facing now.
Both arent though. The assumption was always that Kawhi was going to go to LA. The Raptors knew this and knew it was a gamble, but it worked.
A closer look at how the voting turned out for players listed as guards;
Player1st team votes2nd team votes3rd team votesTotal pointsJames Harden8992474Luka Doncic59401416Damian Lillard6828284Chris Paul25233199Ben Simmons093461Russell Westbrook092956Bradley Beal032332Kyle Lowry031726Trae Young011013Donovan Mitchell01710
1st team vote - 5 points, 2nd team vote - 3 points, 3rd team vote - 1 point.
One doesnt have to do with the other. The bottom line was he was going to sign with LA when he became a FA. This was fairly well known, even at the time of his trade to Toronto. No one was screwed.
Sure it does. If he left TO and signed in LA without forcing the Clippers’ hand, I’d be a lot more understanding. The way he tried to have his cake and eat it too, the way he tried to orchestrate moves behind the scenes - it all tells me he wasn’t being genuine to either the Raps or the Clippers. For me that’s enough to qualify as screwing over both teams.
The fact that his moves blew up spectacularly in his face is his own doing.
The dude tells it like it is - he wasn't genuine
It blew up spectacularly in his face, the world is ending - didn't reach conf Finals in his first go around
If you do some research into everything that happened behind the scenes that offseason and then everything that’s happening behind the scenes with the Clippers this season, it isn’t so hilarious.
Well, it is, but only because he somehow managed to misread the situation so badly with both teams and bought into his own hype a little too much in thinking he could orchestrate a winner by himself.
You can argue he screwed the Clippers, but not Toronto. He was never signing in Toronto from the get go.
I’m not sure about the last sentence. If the Clippers held firm and didn’t make the PG trade and Masai gave in and did, he’d probably be in Toronto.
I think he was willing to go to whoever caved in to his demands. His preference was L.A., which is why he wanted more from Toronto.
I think he would have gone to the Lakers but we'll never know.
You should be, as he said as much. He was never staying in Toronto and that was acknowledged from the get go. He was going to either LA team. He didnt screw them because his plan was always to go to LA.
He actually did the opposite of screwing Toronto. He gave them leverage against the Spurs in the trade because the Spurs refused to accommodate him and trade him to LA
He could have pouted about not being traded were he wanted to go, but instead he played his ass off and won Toronto a ring and Toronto fans want to say he screwed them. Crazy
Stein probably doesn't put this out there unless it's expected to happen. That'd be a huge relief for the Raptors after all the speculation about Masai possibly leaving.
Masai had a trade on the table that would’ve kept Kawhi in Toronto. I believe it was something like OG, FVV, Siakam and multiple picks for PG and Westbrook.
He screwed the Spurs too.
Could have easily had two rings with TO but decided to pull some shady behind the scenes stuff and ended up costing TO another title run and the Clippers their entire foreseeable future.
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