Discussion in 'Basketball' started by Avs_19, Aug 15, 2020.
he didn't screw over the spurs. the spurs were done being a title contender. if kawhi had stayed, they would've still made the playoffs as a 5-6 seed, but they wouldn't be winning any more titles
and he won a title in toronto, so i wouldn't say he "screwed" them over. more like he screwed himself over by leaving, because they would've most likely repeated as champs this year had he stayed. now he's stuck with the guy he chose to play alongside
He screwed everyone he was involved with. Everyone he was affiliated with lost this year, including himself.
that's what happens when you crown yourself champs before the season starts and talk all that shit
The Raptors supporting cast was hella underrated last year. One of the best defensive teams in memory, all high IQ players and most shot the 3 efficiently. Siakam as a #2/#3 option and Kyle as the PG supported Kawhi perfectly. Kawhi isn't a playmaker, he'll get you iso buckets but he doesn't run the offense. Clippers had no one to run the offense like Kyle can. Raps would have cakewalked the east with Kawhi and probably repeated as champs.
What a night
Miami and Denver are such likeable teams , they are good for the game of basketball
I know the media wants another Lakers vs Celtics Finals, and I don’t hate either team, but I would rather see Denver and Miami rewarded for their tenacity
I actually thoroughly agree.
Lowry is a perfect PG for Kawhi.
Does all the little things well and is one of the best game managers in the league.
Pandemic P's playoff FG%
At a certain point you would think having to go to the wall in every series (and make all these insane comebacks in individual games) catches up with them though. Especially with a more compressed schedule.
And the last two they were huge favorites. The Magic series I just remember Tracy McGrady saying how nice it was to get out of the first round finally...oops.
Marc Davis tried but it wasn't enough. Still got the W.
What a surprise.
I don't think he screwed over the Spurs. He helped them extend their dynasty or whatever you would call it and was a huge reason why they beat Miami in 5. What it came down to was the team wanting him to rush back before he was fully healthy. Based on how he played this year and last, I'd say him sitting out until he was 100% was the right move.
KeLOLerman is catching it just as bad as Rivers & PG
Eh, the guy seems like he's pretty high maintenance tbh. He wins on teams with established good culture throughout. I'm not sure he can create that kind of culture himself.
Spurs of course had a solid core but he was the missing piece that they needed to make another title run. Likewise with the Raps, their core group was good but needed that final guy to truly make a run at the title. Kawhi was an absolute beast last year and ended up scoring the 3rd most payoff points in a single post season ever. Its possible they still make the finals in a LeBron-less east but he pushed them over the hump.
He did still kind of screw over those teams though.
All that will happen is the Clippers will get rid of Doc and bring in a new coach. The FAs they have this season are Morris, Trezz, Green, Patterson, Jackson, and Noah. I imagine the first three will be back but not the last three.
Bring in a 3 and D SF (maybe Moe back?), a couple minimum vets or rookies for the third string front court spots and call it a day.
If they really want to make a splash, they will trade Shamet for either a C or a PG, but I highly doubt that will happen.
I don't really follow basketball, but two things are funny to me:
1) How much a historically inept franchise is getting dunked on. Usually it seems like it is only great teams (Lakers in down years, Pats if they don't win the SB, etc...) get dragged this hard.
2) How have their not been any memes or plays on the words of The Klaw getting Clipped? weak, I know. but so obvious.
Hollinger wrote a good piece on the Clippers today:
The part about the point guard is something I agree with. Beverley does some good things but none of it is as the offensive end. None of those players in their projected lineup are good playmakers other than Kawhi and even he probably isn't great in that area. Not only did he have to create his offense but he had to create for others as well only to watch them do nothing with it.
The two names he mentioned in the piece are Dragic and FVV but also said that's going to be tough for various reasons. The main reason is the cap and probably a need for sign and trades to make it happen. I also think Dragic stays in Miami and if FVV leaves Toronto it'll probably be because one of the bad teams (Knicks, Pistons) offered him a ridiculous contract.
Last night Paul George said this wasn't championship or bust, two months after saying it was championship or bust on Kevin Hart's podcast.
I don't think cap is a factor when Steve Ballmer doesn't give an iota of a shit about spending money to build a championship caliber roster.
Only thing is i'm not sure about is if overpaying Dragic or VanVleet is the answer to the Clippers woes.
Kawhi has literally ran from every good team and culture organization he has been apart of.
He can't do it himself... it's embaressing some of the choices this guy has made. Glad it's finally showing.
Kawhi and his camp deserve this.
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