Speculation: 2020 Free Agent D

[newfy]

I'd demand at least a 2nd for Helm. I think he's more valuable to us than any pick lower than that

Yeah and depending on how many teams are buying and things like that, I think thats right around what he would get. Less than that and I would hold onto him and see what I could get at next years deadline

 

[Ghost of Ethan Hunt]

Find it pretty unlikely that Brodie would wanna sign in Detroit.

But with the cap space available adding both him and Krug would be interesting. The puck would actually get moved up the ice to the forwards in transition. I dont care if Krug isnt great defensively, hes one of the most talented offensive dmen in the league and has played the last 2 years at a 65 point pace. The wings barely have forwards capable of hitting that.

Brodie being paid well could convince him + O6team, RedBird 1, lots of TOI & PP etc. Upcoming team.
If post #68 in this thread is from a trusted source & true...$9M & term (probably 6yrs+) for Krug! No Thanks.

 

[Mlotek]

I think Erik Gustafsson might be a better target to get.

But will he be worth the 6+ million he is gonna ask for per season?

I mean, even back in 2014 a 0.5 point per game offensive D-man was running 5.5-6 million.

That price is probably closer 6-7 million these days.

Spurgeon - 7.575 million extension kicks in summer
Myers - 6 million
Edler - 6 million
Yandle - 6.35 million
Fowler - 6.5 million


Not saying that is what Gustafsson is going to get, but likely what he is going to ask for.

 

[Winger98]

But will he be worth the 6+ million he is gonna ask for per season?

I mean, even back in 2014 a 0.5 point per game offensive D-man was running 5.5-6 million.

That price is probably closer 6-7 million these days.

Spurgeon - 7.575 million extension kicks in summer
Myers - 6 million
Edler - 6 million
Yandle - 6.35 million
Fowler - 6.5 million


Not saying that is what Gustafsson is going to get, but likely what he is going to ask for.

And at what point do you pay a few million more for the more impactful player? If the Wings are choosing between Gus at $6m and Krug at $9m, I think I'd rather they spend the $9m and get the better guy.

 

[Cyborg Yzerberg]

Find it pretty unlikely that Brodie would wanna sign in Detroit.

But with the cap space available adding both him and Krug would be interesting. The puck would actually get moved up the ice to the forwards in transition. I dont care if Krug isnt great defensively, hes one of the most talented offensive dmen in the league and has played the last 2 years at a 65 point pace. The wings barely have forwards capable of hitting that.



I think Helm makes a tonne of sense for a playoff team. These are teams that have the depth to not play Helm out of a bottom line role. He gives you a lot of speed, forechecking and penalty killing ability. He also gives you a little bit more depth at center if you end up needing it because of injuries on a long playoff run.

I dont think anyone is going to give up a tonne for him but if a team wants some speed for the bottom 6 he makes a lot of sense. Hes not a bad hockey player, hes just been played above his ability a lot in Detroit the last few years. I think its similar to Dekeyser as well. People on this board hate him because hes playing number one dman type mins the last couple years with a number 3 or 4 D talent level.

cap space is a premium in this league, maybe someone takes Helm at the deadline with salary retained, but no GM in their right mind would take Helm now.

 

[PelagicJoe]

Dekeyser is still easily a top 2 d on this team if not the number 1. We’d basically need to sign Both peitro and Krug to even consider Leaving dekeyser unprotected.

Do it. None of the defensemen we have on this team are worth anything except for Hronek.

 

[Ghost of Ethan Hunt]

But will he be worth the 6+ million he is gonna ask for per season?

I mean, even back in 2014 a 0.5 point per game offensive D-man was running 5.5-6 million.

That price is probably closer 6-7 million these days.

Spurgeon - 7.575 million extension kicks in summer
Myers - 6 million
Edler - 6 million
Yandle - 6.35 million
Fowler - 6.5 million


Not saying that is what Gustafsson is going to get, but likely what he is going to ask for.

Except Gus only has 1 yr of good production. Pacing for ~35 this yr isn't bad, but not the 60 he put up last yr. Some GM will likely pay him $6 & term, hope it's not us. Also, not known for Dplay.

Signing both Krug & Brodie as some suggest would leave our Top 4 defensively suspect. Also both are LHD, so who sits? Nemeth?

This makes more sense, though I wish we could upgrade on DDK for top pair.

DDK-Hronek
Brodie-Seider
Nemeth-?
----------------
Cholo/Bowey ??
McIlrath
Lindstrom?

 

[Henkka]

Signing both Krug & Brodie as some suggest would leave our Top 4 defensively suspect. Also both are LHD, so who sits? Nemeth?

Brodie has been playing the right side with Giordano for like a decade.

I think we should sign a righty, because there are many of them in the market.

 

[Gniwder]

Doesn't this all depend on how well DDK recovers from back surgery?

 

[StNickFan]

(I thought Kronner was in GR doing that already)...

I just listened to the red and white authority that had Ben Simon on. When they were talking about Cholowski he said cholo has been spending time with kronwall and spoke about him going over a lot of game tape. It was reassuring hearing that because I myself like the tools cholo has but his defensive awareness scares me and his confidence since being sent down his first season with the club has never seemed to be the same.

 

[jkutswings]

Hoefenmayer.

I'd definitely take a very close look at the kid. And Hudson Wilson in the Honorable Mentions section (rock solid stay-at-home guy with little to no offense) might also be worth considering.

On another note, are there any recent updates on McIsaac? Haven't heard anything on him in quite some time.

 

[ArmChairGM89]

On another note, are there any recent updates on McIsaac? Haven't heard anything on him in quite some time.

3 points in 5 games with his new team. I’m sure he’s still working on getting back up to speed. I think I saw he’s like a plus 9. But I’m pretty sure that team is stacked.

 

[jkutswings]

3 points in 5 games with his new team. I’m sure he’s still working on getting back up to speed. I think I saw he’s like a plus 9. But I’m pretty sure that team is stacked.

Yeah, I ended up checking it out and saw that Halifax traded him to Moncton:

https://news.google.com/articles/CB...vYW1wLzEuNTQxNjQ0Mw?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US:en

Hopefully his injuries are behind him, and the kid keeps doing well.

 

[Ghost of Ethan Hunt]

Brodie has been playing the right side with Giordano for like a decade.

I think we should sign a righty, because there are many of them in the market.

I totally forgot about that, good call. (Sometimes I mix up his handedness up with Tyson Barrie).

 

[Henkka]

I'd definitely take a very close look at the kid. And Hudson Wilson in the Honorable Mentions section (rock solid stay-at-home guy with little to no offense) might also be worth considering.

On another note, are there any recent updates on McIsaac? Haven't heard anything on him in quite some time.

McIsaac is a typical player (thanks to his role) you usually won't hear a thing, but just notice that his team is winning.

 

[14ari13]

McIsaac is a typical player (thanks to his role) you usually won't hear a thing, but just notice that his team is winning.

That's a great sign.

As for FAs. I would not consider anyone but a goalie.

Which role do you want an FA to do?

 

[Mlotek]

Except Gus only has 1 yr of good production. Pacing for ~35 this yr isn't bad, but not the 60 he put up last yr. Some GM will likely pay him $6 & term, hope it's not us. Also, not known for Dplay.

Signing both Krug & Brodie as some suggest would leave our Top 4 defensively suspect. Also both are LHD, so who sits? Nemeth?

This makes more sense, though I wish we could upgrade on DDK for top pair.

DDK-Hronek
Brodie-Seider
Nemeth-?
----------------
Cholo/Bowey ??
McIlrath
Lindstrom?

Not sure that LH/RH D is all that important.

Keep in mind Detroit won 08 cup with 5 LHD.
Pittsburgh won in 09 with 5 LHD.

I know its a thing that Babcock loves, but personally, I don't think it makes that big of a difference.

 

[Henkka]

Not sure that LH/RH D is all that important.

Keep in mind Detroit won 08 cup with 5 LHD.
Pittsburgh won in 09 with 5 LHD.

I know its a thing that Babcock loves, but personally, I don't think it makes that big of a difference.

If you watch enough hockey, just find out how many times a goal happens after a lefty loses a puck on the right side. Or, somehow on some team, righty has a single shift on the left side, the only big mistake happens then.

I once collected some data about this, about our own defencemen, when they switched sides, and same guy giveaway-numbers were higher, when playing on the off-side.

More we have parity, more that's a factor. Weak teams does not have perfect handnesses. -08 and -09 DET and PIT were over a decade ago. Different era nowadays.

What also comes to 08 Detroit, Brad Stuart was a right side lefty specialist. Not everybody is. We also had RhD Chelios who played regularily instead of Lebda or Lilja.

 

[Mlotek]

What also comes to 08 Detroit, Brad Stuart was a right side lefty specialist. Not everybody is. We also had RhD Chelios who played regularily instead of Lebda or Lilja.

True but Chelios' play was limited, I don't think he even suited up for a single finals game.

 

[HisNoodliness]

If you watch enough hockey, just find out how many times a goal happens after a lefty loses a puck on the right side. Or, somehow on some team, righty has a single shift on the left side, the only big mistake happens then.

I once collected some data about this, about our own defencemen, when they switched sides, and same guy giveaway-numbers were higher, when playing on the off-side.

More we have parity, more that's a factor. Weak teams does not have perfect handnesses. -08 and -09 DET and PIT were over a decade ago. Different era nowadays.

What also comes to 08 Detroit, Brad Stuart was a right side lefty specialist. Not everybody is. We also had RhD Chelios who played regularily instead of Lebda or Lilja.

Do you still have that data? I'm not surprised that there's more mistakes... But to be honest I would naively imagine that the difference is probably insignificant enough that if you're choosing between two defenseman, you should take the better one. I'm also interested in how guys perform when they are asked to play their off side for more than one season? I'd also imagine that they would perform as well/better on their off side after some time period; I'm guessing about one full season on average

 

[MBH]

Not sure that LH/RH D is all that important.

Keep in mind Detroit won 08 cup with 5 LHD.
Pittsburgh won in 09 with 5 LHD.

I know its a thing that Babcock loves, but personally, I don't think it makes that big of a difference.

I play defense a lot
When you play on your stick side, forehand passes up/clear outs the boards are safer. Less angle and kickouts into the open. Coaches love that.

On the other hand, for defensive reasons, I like being on the leftside with a righthand shot because I like my forehand covering the middle and I'm less concerned about being beat to the outside.

Offensively, when you play off your offside, it's easier to take passes fire shots in the Ozone.
But when I play the right side, I love going across to a right-hand shot for a onetimer on the leftwing.

I think it's more important to have 2 RH Cs and 2 LH Cs to be honest - for faceoffs.

 

[SirloinUB]

Dylan Demelo would be a solid add on the right side. Just a solid defensive dman that could help insulate Seider and Cholowski. Ideally we could sign him to a similar deal as Nemeth and help fill in the blue line while the kids develop. A 2 or 3 year contract around 3 million would still give us quite a bit of roster flexibility while being young enough to grow with the team. Depending on our internal development he could then be flipped for additional draft picks with a year remaining on his deal.

Nothing flashy but this kind of signing would align well with Yzerman's message of patience.

Dekeyser - Hronek
Cholowski - Demelo
Nemeth - Seider
Bowey

 

[TCNorthstars]

Brodie being paid well could convince him + O6team, RedBird 1, lots of TOI & PP etc. Upcoming team.
If post #68 in this thread is from a trusted source & true...$9M & term (probably 6yrs+) for Krug! No Thanks.

Not even gonna put him on the current plane huh?

 

[NickH8]

Dylan Demelo would be a solid add on the right side. Just a solid defensive dman that could help insulate Seider and Cholowski. Ideally we could sign him to a similar deal as Nemeth and help fill in the blue line while the kids develop. A 2 or 3 year contract around 3 million would still give us quite a bit of roster flexibility while being young enough to grow with the team. Depending on our internal development he could then be flipped for additional draft picks with a year remaining on his deal.

Nothing flashy but this kind of signing would align well with Yzerman's message of patience.

Dekeyser - Hronek
Cholowski - Demelo
Nemeth - Seider
Bowey

I wouldn't mind that. A young guy and a solid defensive dman on each pair.

 

[ridilon]

Doesn't this all depend on how well DDK recovers from back surgery?

3 straight seasons of injuries. More and more severe each year. DDK will be a 50 game a year part time player the rest of his career.