Salary Cap: 2020-21 Lightning Roster Discussion | Part 2

[Sky04]

So Jack Finley can go to the AHL this year instead of playing an overage year in the W? Sounds good for development.

 

[Felonious Python]

So Jack Finley can go to the AHL this year instead of playing an overage year in the W? Sounds good for development.

At least until the WHL comes back.

'Overage' in this context, needs a tweek. An overage player is a 20-year-old player. It's their final season of eligibility of junior. It's also their first season of eligibility of AHL/ECHL.

Finley is only 18, and would need to either be in the NHL, or go back to junior.

 

[Todd1a]

Can Yzerman please just claim johnson

 

[These Are The Days]

I hope one day the AHL and NHL can come to some sort of agreement over prospect development. Take someone like Morgan Frost who wasn't ready for the NHL after he was drafted. But the guy goes back to the OHL for another 2 years and scores 112 and 109 points. I mean... I'm not one to say it wasn't good for his development. But we all know he was beating the hell out of kids he was clearly better than.

I hope one day it gets worked out where a player like that maybe gets a brief AHL tryout like 4 to 6 games and said coaching staff decides whether or not he goes back to juniors. I'm sure it would result in a crapload of paperwork but it gives prospects in their +1 and +2 draft year to play professionally versus beating up a bunch of 17 year old future 4th round draft picks

 

[DistantThunderRep]

I hope one day the AHL and NHL can come to some sort of agreement over prospect development. Take someone like Morgan Frost who wasn't ready for the NHL after he was drafted. But the guy goes back to the OHL for another 2 years and scores 112 and 109 points. I mean... I'm not one to say it wasn't good for his development. But we all know he was beating the hell out of kids he was clearly better than.

I hope one day it gets worked out where a player like that maybe gets a brief AHL tryout like 4 to 6 games and said coaching staff decides whether or not he goes back to juniors. I'm sure it would result in a crapload of paperwork but it gives prospects in their +1 and +2 draft year to play professionally versus beating up a bunch of 17 year old future 4th round draft picks

The agreement has to be with the junior leagues. The agreement stands as it is so it doesn't bankrupt the other leagues for talent.

 

[Felonious Python]

I hope one day the AHL and NHL can come to some sort of agreement over prospect development. Take someone like Morgan Frost who wasn't ready for the NHL after he was drafted. But the guy goes back to the OHL for another 2 years and scores 112 and 109 points. I mean... I'm not one to say it wasn't good for his development. But we all know he was beating the hell out of kids he was clearly better than.

I hope one day it gets worked out where a player like that maybe gets a brief AHL tryout like 4 to 6 games and said coaching staff decides whether or not he goes back to juniors. I'm sure it would result in a crapload of paperwork but it gives prospects in their +1 and +2 draft year to play professionally versus beating up a bunch of 17 year old future 4th round draft picks

The CHL pretty much needs those guys in order to sell tickets and attract players versus the NCAA (or USports) route.

 

[aessi]

Drouin was another guy, not good enough for NHL and too good for QMJHL (105p and 108p seasons).

 

[Felonious Python]

 

[sabresEH]

So Jack Finley can go to the AHL this year instead of playing an overage year in the W? Sounds good for development.

As the other guy pointed out Jack is obligated to go back to Spokane if the WHL has a season. Next season will also be NHL or WHL for Finley.

 

[Lightning1995]

I’m wondering who the two league min players are that have been added

 

[Felonious Python]

I’m wondering who the two league min players are that have been added

Colton and Day would work on paper, and they are both exempt from waivers.

 

[AZviaNJ]

A brilliant description from a phenomenal GM.

 

[Felonious Python]

Sign Masin for 708,334.

 

[DistantThunderRep]

Colton and Day would work on paper, and they are both exempt from waivers.

They would have to play the first game right? Let's do it. Get Day in for a game.

 

[Felonious Python]

They would have to play the first game right? Let's do it. Get Day in for a game.

Not quite. It'd put the active roster at 22.

 

[The Gongshow]

Palat - Point - Stamkos
Killorn - Cirelli - ???
Coleman - Gourde - Goodrow
Maroon - Stephens - Joseph/Volkov(?)

Hedman - Rutta
Serg - Cernak
McD - Foote

Vasy
Mac

not bad, gentleman

 

[PJ817]

Koo-CHAIR-off?

 

[bov]

It's like he's talking directly to the confused posters (myself included) of HFBoards.

 

[BoltzManConstant]

Given everyone we had in camp, and the roster moves described in the article earlier today ( Lightning announce roster moves ), here's what I think our roster on opening day will be:

F	Stamkos, Steven "C"	8,500,000
F	Point, Brayden	6,750,000
F	Palat, Ondrej	5,300,000
F	Gourde, Yanni	5,166,666
F	Cirelli, Anthony	4,800,000
F	Killorn, Alex	4,450,000
F	Coleman, Blake	1,800,000
F	Goodrow, Barclay	925,000
F	Maroon, Patrick	900,000
F	Stephens, Mitchell	737,500
F	Joseph, Mathieu	737,500
F	Volkov, Alexander	700,000
D	Hedman, Victor "A"	7,875,000
D	McDonagh, Ryan "A"	6,750,000
D	Sergachev, Mikhail	4,800,000
D	Cernak, Erik	2,950,000
D	Rutta, Jan	1,300,000
D	Foote, Cal	925,000
D	Day, Sean	700,000
G	Vasilevskiy, Andrei	9,500,000
G	McElhinney, Curtis	1,300,000
?	[Some Guy On a Minimum Contract]	700,000
	Subtotal	77,566,666
	Plus non-buryable portion of Johnson	3,925,000
	TOTAL cap hit	81,491,666

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

That's 22 players total (the roster limit is 23):
12 F, 7D, 2G plus one other guy who's still to-be-determined. Could be Boo Nieves, but I'd wager we're planning to pick up a defenseman on waivers.

Also going on the same info, our taxi squad on day one will be as follows:

F	Johnson, Tyler	5,000,000
F	Smith, Gemel	700,000
D	Schenn, Luke	800,000
D	Borgman, Andreas	700,000
D	Thomas, Ben	700,000
G	Gibson, Christopher	700,000

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

And for completeness, here's everyone who was in camp who will be going to the AHL (some via waiver, some don't require waivers), again per the article above:

F	Barré-Boulet, Alex	759,258
F	Colton, Ross	700,000
F	Finley, Jack	825,833
F	Goncalves, Gage	825,833
F	Huntington, Jimmy	809,166
F	Katchouk, Boris	833,333
F	Raddysh, Taylor	833,333
F	Semykin, Dmitri	813,333
D	Walcott, Daniel	700,000
D	Witkowski, Luke	700,000
D	Green, Alex	817,500
G	Martin, Spencer	700,000

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

As JBB explained in that video, this is all temporary so that we can set our opening cap hit as close as possible to $81.5m in order to preserve the greatest amount of LTIR relief.

So after day 1 we're going to be calling TJ back up, and sending two other guys down. When TJ comes up, it only adds $1.075m to our cap hit (the portion of his total $5m hit we were able to bury by waiving him). It's gotta be Day and the [Guy on Minimum Contract] who get sent down.

Both those guys can't go to the taxi squad (max 6) because TJ moving up only opens up one slot. So presumably one of Day and New Guy will be going to Syracuse.

Edit: We also have flexibility to swap between Foote/Schenn (assuming Schenn clears waivers) on the roster/taxi squad, so I wouldn't be surprised if after the first game we call Schenn back up and put Foote on the taxi squad. Or maybe we give Foote a half-dozen or so games to try to prove himself.
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Note: Name/Position/Cap Hit from CapFriendly.com

 

[Felonious Python]

 

[BoltzManConstant]

...
That's 22 players total (the roster limit is 23):
12 F, 7D, 2G plus one other guy who's still to-be-determined. Could be Boo Nieves, but I'd wager we're planning to pick up a defenseman on waivers.
...

We just signed Nieves, presumably to a minimum contract, so looks like he is gonna be the guy taking the last roster spot on day 1.

No waiver pickups, so I would've lost that wager.

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

I hope one day the AHL and NHL can come to some sort of agreement over prospect development. Take someone like Morgan Frost who wasn't ready for the NHL after he was drafted. But the guy goes back to the OHL for another 2 years and scores 112 and 109 points. I mean... I'm not one to say it wasn't good for his development. But we all know he was beating the hell out of kids he was clearly better than.

I hope one day it gets worked out where a player like that maybe gets a brief AHL tryout like 4 to 6 games and said coaching staff decides whether or not he goes back to juniors. I'm sure it would result in a crapload of paperwork but it gives prospects in their +1 and +2 draft year to play professionally versus beating up a bunch of 17 year old future 4th round draft picks

Uh if this was the case IT WOULD NOT be down to the AHL coach to make the decision.

The WHL is a business and they know that they would lose every D+1/D+2 to the American hockey league if this was the case. I get that it sucks, but the WHL wouldn't survive if you had your way.

This is about MONEY

 

[Major4Boarding]

Shame we don't have the room. Would be a decent SYR pick up, IMO.

 

[BoltzManConstant]

So if I've got this right, our opening night roster will be:
13F: Stamkos, Point, Palat, Gourde, Cirelli, Killorn, Coleman, Goodrow, Maroon, Stephens, Joseph, Volkov, Nieves
7D: Hedman, McDonagh, Sergachev, Cernak, Rutta, Foote, Day
2G: Vasilevskiy, McElihinney
That's 22 guys. Presumably Nieves and Day will be the scratches.

And our initial taxi squad will be:
Johnson (F), Smith (F), Schenn (D), Borgman (D), Thomas (D), Gibson(G)

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Then once we're done with the LTIR shenanigans, I think our ongoing roster will look like this:
13F: Stamkos, Point, Palat, Gourde, Cirelli, Killorn, Coleman, Goodrow, Maroon, Stephens, Joseph, Volkov, Johnson
6D: Hedman, McDonagh, Sergachev, Cernak, Rutta, either Foote or Schenn
2G: Vasilevskiy, McElhinney

And our ongoing taxi squad will be:
Smith (F), Nieves (F), Schenn OR Foote (D), Borgman (D), Thomas (D), Day (D), Gibson(G)

That's generally 21 guys on roster, with either Stephens, Joseph or Volkov the scratch most nights, or whatever forward needs rest.

Getting a game off for Hedman, McDonagh, Serg and Cernak is going to be tricky, because our typical roster won't have enough money for both Foote AND Schenn to be up. On those nights, we have the following options:
- Send Johnson to the taxi squad and bring up whichever of Foote/Schenn was on the taxi squad. So we'll want to save Johnson's nights off for whenever a Dman needs a break.
- Send Rutta down and bring up two D-men (one of Foote/Schenn and one of Borgman/Thomas/Day). Since we can bury $1.075m of Rutta's contract, that opens just enough space for 22 guys on the roster (just like it did when we sent TJ down), so we can go two-for-one with him. This is less preferable than sending TJ down, because we'd feel some pain if we lost Rutta. But it's not out of the question.
- Waive one of our other guys to the taxi squad. That's not gonna happen. Unless we're ready to give up on someone, they're all likely to be claimed, and everyone (except Foote of course) has to pass through waivers. In fact, I'd guess we're more likely to trade, say, Joseph or Volkov just so we get something back than we would be to waive them. I doubt that happens, either.

I wouldn't be surprise if we do some fiddling around between Syracuse and the taxi squad at points. And of course if we can trade TJ or Killer at some point, all bets are off.

 

[HoseEmDown]

Why does everyone have Day on the roster still? He was assigned to Syracuse already. He isn't on the taxi squad as we have Borgman at LD and Thomas and Schenn/Foote as the RD depending on who's up that day. I know BriseBois said we need another league minimum contract on the opening night roster but I hope that's not Day. Nothing against the kid but he just got to the team, if we are putting someone on the opening night roster even if its just for cap reasons I would hope it's someone who's been with the organization awhile as a nice gesture to them. I would put Walcott on their because of all the things he does for Syracuse and how he's had to come back from more than one bad injury to keep playing. He's never going to play an NHL game but this gives him the chance to say he was on the opening night roster for us. Day can earn a chance by showing it on the ice for Syracuse as he's still young and has time to make an opening night roster later.