Boston Bruins 2020-2021 Roster Discussion III - STAY ON TOPIC

[JOKER 192]

If you don't believe me, go chat with Flames fans for their opinion. They need RHD and a C badly in Calgary.

You see the problem?

 

[JOKER 192]

Woof. That team may not score 150 goals on the season. Those second and third lines are atrocious imo

Perhaps, but you know what else is woof ? What we just iced in this years PO's.

Also, if your going to gratuitously post woof, let's see your line-up, then I can gratuitously woof too.

Woof , without any argument is just woof. Cheap.

 

[JOKER 192]

Woof. That team may not score 150 goals on the season. Those second and third lines are atrocious imo

Come on , that's a ridiculous statement, how is it so much different from what the Bruins iced this past season? Jake DeBrusk is pretty much all that is missing. The rest are equivalents, and I would argue maybe better than what they had this past season.

 

[Deuce17]

Perhaps, but you know what else is woof ? What we just iced in this years PO's.

Also, if your going to gratuitously post woof, let's see your line-up, then I can gratuitously woof too.

Woof , without any argument is just woof. Cheap.

Didn’t the Bruins give up the fewest goals in the league? You thru a bunch of crap together so I told you it was crap. Your team stunk don’t get mad at me. Woof

 

[Coach Parker]

You see the problem?

Do you trade Carlo for Virtanen, Baetrschi and Benn?

Why in the world would any sensible or sane GM anywhere on any NHL team trade their top LHD who is 23, and locked in for four years for two third-liners and a fourth liner that they have ZERO need for?

Once you talk to people who follow the team they make it clear that adding DeBrusk doesn't make sense and moving Lucic is to sign Pietrangelo.

Please go to Cap Friendly and build your roster cap compliant. It doesn't work. You have to ice a 23 man roster and can't just toss Bjork and Lindholm in and not calculate their replacements in as well.

 

[Deuce17]

Come on , that's a ridiculous statement, how is it so much different from what the Bruins iced this past season? Jake DeBrusk is pretty much all that is missing. The rest are equivalents, and I would argue maybe better than what they had this past season.

To each their own but the 2, 3 and 4 lines are unquestionably a lot worse. Looch on line 2? Zach Senyshen as any answer to any question? We can disagree but that D is potentially 5% better and those forwards may be 20% worse. Again jmo

 

[JOKER 192]

Didn’t the Bruins give up the fewest goals in the league? You thru a bunch of crap together so I told you it was crap. Your team stunk don’t get mad at me. Woof

Again, let's see yours. It's easy to criticize , the trick is to propose something better, have at it, you'll be surprised , it's harder than you think.

 

[Coach Parker]

Come on , that's a ridiculous statement, how is it so much different from what the Bruins iced this past season? Jake DeBrusk is pretty much all that is missing. The rest are equivalents, and I would argue maybe better than what they had this past season.

You don't believe this yourself.

 

[JOKER 192]

Do you trade Carlo for Virtanen, Baetrschi and Benn?

Why in the world would any sensible or sane GM anywhere on any NHL team trade their top LHD who is 23, and locked in for four years for two third-liners and a fourth liner that they have ZERO need for?

Once you talk to people who follow the team they make it clear that adding DeBrusk doesn't make sense and moving Lucic is to sign Pietrangelo.

Please go to Cap Friendly and build your roster cap compliant. It doesn't work. You have to ice a 23 man roster and can't just toss Bjork and Lindholm in and not calculate their replacements in as well.

What? What? If I have a 23 man roster , I already have the replacements. I have done what you suggest. It works. The ace in the hole if all else fails is to trade Rask and sign one of the many FA options in net that you have. MY ROSTER IS CAP COMPLIANT.

 

[Coach Parker]

Marchy/Bergy/Pasta
Lucic/Krejci/Kase
Ritchie/Coyle/Stud
Kuraly/TFred/Seny
Wags

Mac/Hanifin
Petro/Dillon
Carlo/Lauzon
Zboril/Chara

Rask/Halak

Trade

Boston/Calgary

To Boston>>>> Lucic,Hanifin 50% retained
To Calgary >>> DeBrusk , Bjork , Lindholm

FA signings

Petro 9M
Dillon 4M
Chara 1.5M >>> .7M+.8M bonus for playing over 10 games

RFA signings

Seny .725/1 last chance.
Zboril .725/1 last chance.

Traded for picks, to take on Backes contract and overages.

Moore
Grizz
Cliffy
Kuhlman



Alternatively we let Chara walk and fill in with Vaak.



Bingo , there it is , Come and try to f*** with us now.

Here:

CapFriendly.com Armchair-GM User-Generated Roster
FORWARDS (13)
Right wing: David Pastrnak ($6,666,666) - Ondrej Kase ($2,600,000) - Jack Studnicka ($769,167) - Zach Senyshyn ($850,000)
Centre: Patrice Bergeron ($6,875,000) - David Krejci ($7,250,000) - Charlie Coyle ($5,250,000) - Trent Frederic ($925,000)
Left wing: Brad Marchand ($6,125,000) - Milan Lucic ($5,250,000) - Nick Ritchie ($1,498,925) - Sean Kuraly ($1,275,000) - Chris Wagner ($1,350,000)
DEFENSE (8)
Right: Charlie McAvoy ($4,900,000) - Alex Pietrangelo ($9,000,000) - Brandon Carlo ($2,850,000) - Jakub Zboril ($850,000)
Left: Noah Hanifin ($2,505,000) - Brenden Dillon ($4,000,000) - Jérémy Lauzon ($850,000) - Zdeno Chara ($1,000,000)
GOALTENDER (2)
Tuukka Rask ($7,000,000) - Jaroslav Halák ($2,250,000)
AHL BURIED (1)
John Moore ($1,675,000)
RETAINED SALARY TRANSACTIONS (1)
David Backes ($1,500,000)
DETAILS
Roster Size: 23
Salary Cap: $81,500,000
Bonus Overages: $1,928,445
Cap Hit: $86,993,203
Cap Space: -$5,493,203

5.4 million over the cap.
You had to demote Clifton, Blidh and Moore as well to the AHL to make this work and it still didn't.
I also gave Zboril and Senyshyn close to league minimum and it is still terribly over budget (even with Calgary for some reason retaining half of Hanifin OR Lucic's salary).
This was also with Calgary taking on Lindholm and Bjork's contracts which they have no use for.

It doesn't work.

 

[Coach Parker]

What? What? If I have a 23 man roster , I already have the replacements. I have done what you suggest. It works. The ace in the hole if all else fails is to trade Rask and sign one of the many FA options in net that you have. MY ROSTER IS CAP COMPLIANT.

See above. It isn't. I took the time to make the roster you posted and have people now ripping it on Cap Friendly as I tell them to please ignore it.

 

[Coach Parker]

Perhaps you didn't add in the bonus overage from last year and the Backes buyout? That still only accounts for 3.5 of the 5.5 you were over. It's a team that is very much over the cap.

 

[Coach Parker]

Perhaps, but you know what else is woof ? What we just iced in this years PO's.

Also, if your going to gratuitously post woof, let's see your line-up, then I can gratuitously woof too.

Woof , without any argument is just woof. Cheap.

That's fair. I think a response roster is a fair ask when people shoot yours down. I'd scrap any idea of Pietrangelo and give it to Hall. I'd forget paying Dillon anything because that's what your over in the Cap. Same goes for Chara.

CapFriendly.com Armchair-GM User-Generated Roster
FORWARDS (14)
Right wing: David Pastrnak ($6,666,666) - Anders Bjork ($1,600,000) - Ondrej Kase ($2,600,000) - Chris Wagner ($1,350,000)
Centre: David Krejci ($7,250,000) - Patrice Bergeron ($6,875,000) - Charlie Coyle ($5,250,000) - Sean Kuraly ($1,275,000) - Jakub Lauko ($764,167)
Left wing: Taylor Hall ($8,500,000) - Brad Marchand ($6,125,000) - Trent Frederic ($925,000) - Pär Lindholm ($850,000) - Anton Blidh ($700,000)
DEFENSE (7)
Right: Charlie McAvoy ($4,900,000) - Brandon Carlo ($2,850,000) - Jérémy Lauzon ($850,000)
Left: Noah Hanifin ($4,950,000) - Matt Grzelcyk ($2,250,000) - Jakub Zboril ($850,000) - Connor Clifton ($1,000,000)
GOALTENDER (2)
Tuukka Rask ($7,000,000) - Jaroslav Halák ($2,250,000)
BUYOUTS (1)
Nick Ritchie (-$167,742)
RETAINED SALARY TRANSACTIONS (1)
David Backes ($1,500,000)
DETAILS
Roster Size: 23
Salary Cap: $81,500,000
Bonus Overages: $1,928,445
Cap Hit: $80,891,536
Cap Space: $608,464

Hanifin, and Hall in, 2021 1st, DeBrusk and Moore out. Cap compliant. Flames fans still didn't like it and most thought it didn't address their team needs at all by giving them a LW.

But this is the best response I could give you to be cap compliant. You may use this and alter the Flames offer or give the Hall money to Pietrangelo for your team but there simply isn't the money to do all you posted on your roster.

 

[JOKER 192]

Here:

CapFriendly.com Armchair-GM User-Generated Roster
FORWARDS (13)
Right wing: David Pastrnak ($6,666,666) - Ondrej Kase ($2,600,000) - Jack Studnicka ($769,167) - Zach Senyshyn ($850,000)
Centre: Patrice Bergeron ($6,875,000) - David Krejci ($7,250,000) - Charlie Coyle ($5,250,000) - Trent Frederic ($925,000)
Left wing: Brad Marchand ($6,125,000) - Milan Lucic ($5,250,000) - Nick Ritchie ($1,498,925) - Sean Kuraly ($1,275,000) - Chris Wagner ($1,350,000)
DEFENSE (8)
Right: Charlie McAvoy ($4,900,000) - Alex Pietrangelo ($9,000,000) - Brandon Carlo ($2,850,000) - Jakub Zboril ($850,000)
Left: Noah Hanifin ($2,505,000) - Brenden Dillon ($4,000,000) - Jérémy Lauzon ($850,000) - Zdeno Chara ($1,000,000)
GOALTENDER (2)
Tuukka Rask ($7,000,000) - Jaroslav Halák ($2,250,000)
AHL BURIED (1)
John Moore ($1,675,000)
RETAINED SALARY TRANSACTIONS (1)
David Backes ($1,500,000)
DETAILS
Roster Size: 23
Salary Cap: $81,500,000
Bonus Overages: $1,928,445
Cap Hit: $86,993,203
Cap Space: -$5,493,203

5.4 million over the cap.
You had to demote Clifton, Blidh and Moore as well to the AHL to make this work and it still didn't.
I also gave Zboril and Senyshyn close to league minimum and it is still terribly over budget (even with Calgary for some reason retaining half of Hanifin OR Lucic's salary).
This was also with Calgary taking on Lindholm and Bjork's contracts which they have no use for.

It doesn't work.

Come on , you didn't read what I posted carefully at all .

1) Seny doesn't have a contract for next season. I'm giving him one last chance and .725M not the .85 you have him at.
2) Zboril same deal..725
3) I have Chara at .7M with a .8M Bonus which can be carried over to overages for the next year. He can be left out all together if need be.
4 )John Moore I traded , not sure why he's included in any calculations
5) I also traded Cliffy , I didn't demote anyone, you need to read more carefully.
6) While Calgary has no use for Lindholm or Bjork, the Bruins are taking Lucic of their hands, not exactly considered a prize catch in today's NHL. If they have no use for those players they are certainly easier to flip than Lucic is.

IT WORKS.

 

[Coach Parker]

Come on , you didn't read what I posted carefully at all .

1) Seny doesn't have a contract for next season. I'm giving him one last chance and .725M not the .85 you have him at.
2) Zboril same deal..725
3) I have Chara at .7M with a .8M Bonus which can be carried over to overages for the next year. He can be left out all together if need be.
4 )John Moore I traded , not sure why he's included in any calculations
5) I also traded Cliffy , I didn't demote anyone, you need to read more carefully.
6) While Calgary has no use for Lindholm or Bjork, the Bruins are taking Lucic of their hands, not exactly considered a prize catch in today's NHL. If they have no use for those players they are certainly easier to flip than Lucic is.

IT WORKS.

Dude, it doesn't. If it did post it here. Please, please make those changes and it STILL doesn't work. It doesn't add up at all. 5.5 million.

Sure, take out 125,000 on Senyshyn,
Take out 125,000 on Zboril.
Take out 300,000 on Chara (which I think is impossible given it's below the league minimum.
Take out John Moore';s 2,750,000 (not sure who or how you traded him during a flat cap and NO ONE wanting him but okay).

Clifton isn't calculated in the time I spent on your roster above, as you can see.

IT STILL DOESN'T FIT. You still aren't cap compliant. I just did everything you asked and it still is over the cap.

I did the numbers and posted for you how it doesn't fit. It doesn't fit. We don't even need to get into the terrible forward core, the slower the team got and the abyss of scoring getting worse, the fact that no sane GM would ever take that Flames trade because we don't have to.

IT DOESN'T FIT.

 

[JOKER 192]

Come on , you didn't read what I posted carefully at all .

1) Seny doesn't have a contract for next season. I'm giving him one last chance and .725M not the .85 you have him at.
2) Zboril same deal..725
3) I have Chara at .7M with a .8M Bonus which can be carried over to overages for the next year. He can be left out all together if need be.
4 )John Moore I traded , not sure why he's included in any calculations
5) I also traded Cliffy , I didn't demote anyone, you need to read more carefully.
6) While Calgary has no use for Lindholm or Bjork, the Bruins are taking Lucic of their hands, not exactly considered a prize catch in today's NHL. If they have no use for those players they are certainly easier to flip than Lucic is.

IT WORKS.

Now tell me, how is that defense corps not gonna make up for that deficit in goals scored and goals prevented?

 

[Coach Parker]

Post your team fitting from CapFriendly. Once that works we can discuss the rest of it but until you can do that like I did (and took the time to post YOUR team to show how it doesn't fit) the least you could do was do the same and show me that roster you posted cap compliant.

Then we can discuss the other aspects of it that people have posted 'woof' to.

 

[Coach Parker]

Now tell me, how is that defense corps not gonna make up for that deficit in goals scored and goals prevented?

It doesn't even get to be discussed because it is an illegal team that isn't cap compliant so might as well add another guy or two to the roster that can't exist.

 

[JOKER 192]

It doesn't even get to be discussed because it is an illegal team that isn't cap compliant so might as well add another guy or two to the roster that can't exist.

Stop. Give me a few minutes , look and learn.

 

[Coach Parker]

Once you post your roster as cap compliant answer this:

Would you trade Carlo for Virtanen, Baetrschi and Leivo?

Yes or no?

If no, why would you expect the Flames to trade their 2nd pairing D for a RFA a third liner with potential and a 4th liner? Believe it or not, those three have scored (147 Goals) more in the NHL than the three Bruins you offered (80 goals) to the Flames that no one from their fanbase liked at all. Closer to double the goals scored and I bet you wouldn't touch that trade with a ten foot pole.

 

[Coach Parker]

Stop. Give me a few minutes , look and learn.

Sure. I'll read it tomorrow as well as your rationale as to why the Flames do that deal in the first place.

Night!

 

[JOKER 192]

Sure. I'll read it tomorrow as well as your rationale as to why the Flames do that deal in the first place.

Night!

Marchy6.125/Bergy 6.875/Pasta6.6
Lucic5.25/Krejci7.25/Kase 2.6
Ritchie1.5/Coyle5.25/Stud .77
Kuraly1.275/TFred.925/Seny.725
Mac 4.9/Hanifin 50% retained 2.475
Petro 9/Dillon 4
Carlo2.85/Lauzon .85
Zboril .725/ Chara 1.5
Tuukka 7/Halak 2.25
Total 80.695M$
Again, in case I didn’t make it clear
I still have other options
1) I can still trade Rask and opt among the many options of legit goalie’s available this off-season
2) I can let Chara walk and give his spot to Vaak saving an additional .55M
3) I am unloading , therefore not demoting
Bjork
Moore
Lindholm
Grizz
Cliffy
Kuhlman


Among what I'm onloading I am sending Backes' contract with it, even if nothing comes back
Overages which I can split or trade or avoid all together by trading Rask.

Whatever goal deficit which I have gone into detail for you in prior posts will be erased by an up-tick in goal production from the D and goal prevention from a formidable D corps.

On a sunny day I even get a draft pick or two.

again

Boom , GN!!!!

Bang heads with you in the AM

 

[Baddkarma]

Added Nurse and Dadonov

Traded DeBrusk, Kase, Gryzz, Moore, and Lindholm...

Dadanov and Nurse - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

 

[Mantis]

This thread is embarrassing

 

[BruinDust]

You been talking to them all day? You have been taking to the HF boards managers, you know, guys like you and I. GTFO with that.

Not sure they will still have Gaudreau when the dust settles so theres that.......................

How does the cap not work?

they send over Lucic 5.25 and Hanifin 50% retained = 7.75M

They're taking back BeBrusk probably 3.5M, Bjork 1.6 and Lindholm .85M = 5.95

They can turn around and flip anyone of those players if they need too.

You lost me here. Your asking Calgary to retain 50% of Hanifin's nearly 5 million salary. Over 4 years, on a 23-year old D-man whose a solid player for them now? This kinda of stuff never happens. Usually salary retention is older players who have declined to the point they aren't even worth a fraction of what they make (see Backes, David). You never see it with younger player entering their prime who have several years left on their current deal.