Agreed but if they had spotted a couple of them in here and there even at the cost of not winning the GD "Presidents Trophy" it would've been more productive to the team as a whole going forward. All year long people have been clamoring for Stud and Fredd to play but I guess Butch didn't trust them enough to try them. Now besides those 2 they don't know enough about what Senyshen and on defense, Zboril can do. It would be nice to let guys get some confidence in doing that too.
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Agreed but if they had spotted a couple of them in here and there even at the cost of not winning the GD "Presidents Trophy" it would've been more productive to the team as a whole going forward. All year long people have been clamoring for Stud and Fredd to play but I guess Butch didn't trust them enough to try them. Now besides those 2 they don't know enough about what Senyshen and on defense, Zboril can do. It would be nice to let guys get some confidence in doing that too.
But, can you rely on a guy who is essentially unreliable, even on the third line? If they get more around them, real or even big name talent, I could see dropping DeBrusk down to the third line, taking what he can give you, and riding his backside to be better in all three zones.
Absent that, goodbye Jake.
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In fairness he’s averaging, what 22, 23 goals per year over the last 2?
Now that might dip a bit playing on line 3, but if they get a 30 goal guy to take his spot on line 2 and he scores 18-20 on line three, that’s not bad production for the middle two LW’s.
Assume Marchand for 28-30 —-Hoffman/Hall for 30 and JDB for 18 and that’s a huge number of goals from one wing.
I mean Heinen was considered a solid third liner here and he had 7 goals. Bjork had 9. So DeBrusk is likely to score more goals next year than two guys who played third line quite a bit this year.
(I know it wasn’t a full year - but JDB also outscored them combined this year too).
Yes I agree to a certain extent but trading all 3 of the 2015 first round draft picks would look really bad for Sweeney. I really doubt that they trade JDB for exactly that reason. The other 2 I think should and will probably get a shot and if they don't Neely needs to be asking Sweeney some tough questions. Besides that, with the Bruins history of getting rid of Kessel, Seguin, Joe Thornton I can't imagine that they want to continue it further. It really looks terrible on the scouting and management staff IMO. Now if they were to fire or move Sweeney into another job and got a new GM with new scouts then they could do it without looking foolish because those 3 weren't taken by them.
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This is fair. In a third line role, let's see. If he can contribute as you suggest, perhaps. But he must learn to be a three zone player. Even on the third line, you can't have a one dimensional player. Not on my team, any way.
Good points. Thank you.
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You're probably right. I dont really know what JZ or ZS can bring, though I've read they're not total washouts. I'm just, unreasonably so, pretty much over the whole mess.
And I know GM's won't trade X or Y because they drafted X or Y, and to do so admits failure. Again, they should see what these two have for a long look in the NHL and act accordingly.
That, I can deal with. Sooner rather than later. And it's late.
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Get rid of them. I don't mean to be uncharitable, but neither will work out for the Bruins. It would be a case of, "If he just has enough conditioning, if he gets one more year" blah effety blah.
If neither got the message playing for this club, with its leadership, they are never going to get it. And, ps, Nick played like a bonehead in the TBL series. He didn't play like a JAG, which they have too many of, he hurt the team with his stupid play.
Sorry.
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With all of the varying opinions etc he'd go out of his mind and get fired...
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Bathetic (not pathethic, look it up) B's fans to the core.
Off to check some Netflix fare, and, inevitably, an episode of "The Dick Van Dyke Show."
Good night all.
"I'll be back."
I've been told that I'm doing the "job of three!" Moe, Larry and Curly!
I was all in for the "window's closed, re-tool" train, but the prospect of Hall gives us one more shot.
So, all I care about seeing on the team are:
Marchy/Bergy/Pasta
Hall/Krjeci/????
????/Coyle/????
????/Mac
????/Carlo
Lauzon/????
Chara
Everyone else can go, if need be. Regardless, you have Debrusk, Bjork, Kase, and like 19 kids in providence who can play on the 3rd and 4th lines. Don't need a whole shitload of "defensively responsible" but offensively-challenged "vets" gumming up the works. Stick the kids in instead.
So, all I care about seeing on the team are:
Marchy/Bergy/Pasta
Hall/Krjeci/????
????/Coyle/????
????/Mac
????/Carlo
Lauzon/????
Chara
Everyone else can go, if need be. Regardless, you have Debrusk, Bjork, Kase, and like 19 kids in providence who can play on the 3rd and 4th lines. Don't need a whole shitload of "defensively responsible" but offensively-challenged "vets" gumming up the works. Stick the kids in instead.
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Imwhichew! I feel the exact same way for the most part. It's time for the "kids" to sink or swim. We need an infusion of top end talent to take the onus off the older core, after that instead of more Lindholms I want enthusiastic, hungry kids filling out the bottom of the roster.
Edit: Add to that, it's time for Sweeney to do what he did in 2015 and clear out some deadweight and get some picks. Then pick the best player available and stop with overdoing the attitude of not picking a Barzal or whoever is the best prospect for the "nice, gentlemanly, good guy" kind of pick. I would go for the biggest, fastest, meanest. Of course that's overstating the point but you get what I'm saying (I think). Funny thing, IIRC in 2015 those first rounders couldn't do a stinken' push-up. I mean WTF didn't they have them in for physical endurance tests? If they did WHO the **** did the testing? Fire him!
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Hilarious that Senyshyn and Zboril are RFAs without getting anything more than a cup of coffee in the NHL. Nope, gotta have Par Lindholm racking up his 19 career points (6 with Boston!) and John Moore eating up $2.75m of cap space (I mean, $2.5 m wasn't enough Donny?)
What's wrong with sticking Senyshyn and Frederic and Studnicka and Lauko and and and on the 4th line?
Here’s an out of the box approach to our winger problem. If we can’t/won’t land Hall or even Hoffman, we can sign two wingers.
I think moving Pasta to Krejci’s line makes a lot of sense. Maybe he won’t be a 50 goal scorer anymore but it should definitely help spread out our offensive production.
We can use FA to add a RW to play with Marchand and Bergeron. Two guys stand out to me for this role: Craig Smith and Tyler Toffoli.
Both are regular 20+ goal scorers. Good at both ends. Especially Smith is a high energy, fast guy who can also shoot. And they wouldn’t be that big of financial burdens.
For the 2nd line LW role with Krejc&Pasta I think they’d still have the money to get a guy like Hoffman. But with Krejci and Pasta playing together, the 3rd guy on that line needs to be a complimentary piece.
For this role Jimmy Vesey may be an under the radar type target. Yes he never lived up to the hype but he’s still a useful middle 6 forward. He’s big, goes to the net and was really good this year defensively too and should help the other two in that regard as well. 51 of his 59 career goals have also come at even strength so that’s another huge plus for the Bs. And again, won’t break the bank.
This way you can use DeBrusk-Kase on the 3rd giving you very solid 3 lines. And they can always put Pasta back on the 1st line but they’d at least have a capable RW for Krejci in Smith/Toffoli. If Vesey doesn’t work out, you have an established fallback plan in DeBrusk.
Lines would look something like this:
Marchand-Bergeron-Smith/Toffoli
Vesey-Krejci-Pasta
DeBrusk-Coyle-Kase
4th line
This would help save money which they can re invest for blue line help with possible Krug/Chara departures or other needs
I think moving Pasta to Krejci’s line makes a lot of sense. Maybe he won’t be a 50 goal scorer anymore but it should definitely help spread out our offensive production.
We can use FA to add a RW to play with Marchand and Bergeron. Two guys stand out to me for this role: Craig Smith and Tyler Toffoli.
Both are regular 20+ goal scorers. Good at both ends. Especially Smith is a high energy, fast guy who can also shoot. And they wouldn’t be that big of financial burdens.
For the 2nd line LW role with Krejc&Pasta I think they’d still have the money to get a guy like Hoffman. But with Krejci and Pasta playing together, the 3rd guy on that line needs to be a complimentary piece.
For this role Jimmy Vesey may be an under the radar type target. Yes he never lived up to the hype but he’s still a useful middle 6 forward. He’s big, goes to the net and was really good this year defensively too and should help the other two in that regard as well. 51 of his 59 career goals have also come at even strength so that’s another huge plus for the Bs. And again, won’t break the bank.
This way you can use DeBrusk-Kase on the 3rd giving you very solid 3 lines. And they can always put Pasta back on the 1st line but they’d at least have a capable RW for Krejci in Smith/Toffoli. If Vesey doesn’t work out, you have an established fallback plan in DeBrusk.
Lines would look something like this:
Marchand-Bergeron-Smith/Toffoli
Vesey-Krejci-Pasta
DeBrusk-Coyle-Kase
4th line
This would help save money which they can re invest for blue line help with possible Krug/Chara departures or other needs
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Chara needs to sign for minimum wage to help team as much as he can.
Isn't the minimum around 700k?
Also what do you guys think about Granlund? Had a pretty bad season, but he was traded to Preds the same day his child was born. Could play C/Wing, has career high 26G+43A season, probably looking for a longterm 2C/Wing spot. He could be a lot cheaper than Hoff/Dadonov/Hall/Toffoli. Could be a cheap option, not the best one for sure. A reliable scorer, who could score 30+ with Krejci, or if you like Pasta with Krejci could be 1RW. Way better than Kase on RW.
Isn't the minimum around 700k?
Also what do you guys think about Granlund? Had a pretty bad season, but he was traded to Preds the same day his child was born. Could play C/Wing, has career high 26G+43A season, probably looking for a longterm 2C/Wing spot. He could be a lot cheaper than Hoff/Dadonov/Hall/Toffoli. Could be a cheap option, not the best one for sure. A reliable scorer, who could score 30+ with Krejci, or if you like Pasta with Krejci could be 1RW. Way better than Kase on RW.
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Best thing that can happen to the Bruins is the Islanders winning the Cup.
They are everything the Bruins aren’t ~ a two line balanced team, a consistent in personnel and old school style 4th line, a flexible third line with a high end consistent center - and a 6 man almost faceless D that are all good at something and good overall
the good news the Bruins have all the ingredients to replicate this
they would actually have to create a second scoring line but they easily could getting away from all eggs in one basket philosophy
Coyle can play the part of Pageau- different style but a high end guy
DeBrusk could play the part of Beauvillier on second line - but he needs to arguably be the third best player like Beauvillier in theory is
Kuraly-Studnicka-Wagner gives you a heck of a 4th line
all right there with minimal personnel changes only philosophical ones - that’s the rub when you have a Holy Core not a bunch of apostles
They are everything the Bruins aren’t ~ a two line balanced team, a consistent in personnel and old school style 4th line, a flexible third line with a high end consistent center - and a 6 man almost faceless D that are all good at something and good overall
the good news the Bruins have all the ingredients to replicate this
they would actually have to create a second scoring line but they easily could getting away from all eggs in one basket philosophy
Coyle can play the part of Pageau- different style but a high end guy
DeBrusk could play the part of Beauvillier on second line - but he needs to arguably be the third best player like Beauvillier in theory is
Kuraly-Studnicka-Wagner gives you a heck of a 4th line
all right there with minimal personnel changes only philosophical ones - that’s the rub when you have a Holy Core not a bunch of apostles
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I’ve always liked Granlund and he could be a good option as well. But Craig Smith keeps sounding like a perfect feed for what we need.
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