I wouldn't say 'by any measure'. I don't think he's a good 3rd liner on a playoff team or cup contender. He's a 3rd liner on our team, sure. Maybe in terms of just point production you could say he produces at a third line rate, but I don't think overall, you can call him an everyday 3rd liner yet. There are teams, like the Islanders, that have guys like Clutterbuck and Cizikas on the 4th line that score around or above Virtanen's career high, and you could argue they bring much more overall to the game than Virtanen does. He has a ways to go before he can be classified as a 'productive 3rd liner' yet. I think it's pretty generous to call him that at this very moment. I think he could surely be a useful 3rd line player, but he has to figure things out.