OT: 2019-nCov (Part 6) QuaranSpring Edition

[NotProkofievian]

It's absolutely mindblowing how stupid people can be.

When I see our fellow Canadians acting in the same way, it makes me so disappointed. We had a bit of room to see how it affected other countries before it got over here and we should've learned from it. Lots did, many didn't and when I see massive gatherings in Vancouver for example, I'm so disappointed in people.

Canada needs to lock it the F down.

To give you an example what I'm talking about, I saw a video of police in Spain arresting a woman for going for a jog, and the woman video taping it was cheering them on. This in a country where you can still take your dog for a walk. It's absurd. Some people can't help but lick any jackboot put in front of their faces. There is no line for some people that the government could cross that would cause them to say ''no.''

 

[waffledave]

'Merica. Where money matters more than your life

I was talking to my dad (who, unfortunately, just doesn't seem to fully understand what social distancing means...) and he thinks that the strategy in the US, that they will never admit, is to let the disease run it's course and let everyone get sick. Whoever dies, dies.

 

[SOLR]

Just for my own sake, it seems like several posters here are well-versed in biology/medicine, but which of you are actually trained/working in the field?

I'm trained as a virologist (a specialization of biochemistry), but I don't work in the field. Many of my teachers/classmates are however on the frontline.

I'm an online marketer (SEO). At this rate, potentially I'll have to go back to it (biochem) for a while lol.

 

[overlords]

I was talking to my dad (who, unfortunately, just doesn't seem to fully understand what social distancing means...) and he thinks that the strategy in the US, that they will never admit, is to let the disease run it's course and let everyone get sick. Whoever dies, dies.

Wasn't that the Uk's strategy up until a week or so ago?

 

[Andy]

To give you an example what I'm talking about, I saw a video of police in Spain arresting a woman for going for a jog, and the woman video taping it was cheering them on. This in a country where you can still take your dog for a walk. It's absurd. Some people can't help but lick any jackboot put in front of their faces. There is no line for some people that the government could cross that would cause them to say ''no.''

It's normal. People are frightened. Scientists are still debating how much asymptomatic people can infect others.

Not much is known about the virus. In absence of certainty, people want security. Everyone is a potential carrier in the eyes of your fellow citizens. You just don't know without a test.

 

[Zam Boni]

So, one thing I've noticed is that as more and more nations get this virus and report their numbers, it seems like the death rate is between 4-6%, which further suggests that China and Iran weren't accurately reporting their numbers.

Sweden is currently at 1,2%, 25 deaths and a total of 2038 cases. BUT, there is no large scale testing, only patients at hospitals showing symptoms, the total number of cases is estimated to be ten times as many.
Globally, total cases should be taken with a large grain of salt given the uncertainty in the total number of cases.

 

[SOLR]

It's normal. People are frightened. Scientists are still debating how much asymptomatic people can infect others.

Not much is known about the virus. In absence of certainty, people want security. Everyone is a potential carrier in the eyes of your fellow citizens. You just don't know without a test.

Don't think there is much debate that it's happening, how much is not important. When you talk of a R0 of 5, vs a Ro of 7, it becomes meaningless in decision making. There is nothing you would do extra at 7 vs. 5 because 5 is terrible enough. 3 is terrible enough for any 1+% killer.

 

[waffledave]

Just for my own sake, it seems like several posters here are well-versed in biology/medicine, but which of you are actually trained/working in the field?

Not a biologist, I'm a computer scientist that studies and works with data. Analyzing stats, data, etc... is my jam.

 

[Andy]

man, I'm afraid to even take my mail, fearing that it may be contaminated

 

[Milhouse40]

I was talking to my dad (who, unfortunately, just doesn't seem to fully understand what social distancing means...) and he thinks that the strategy in the US, that they will never admit, is to let the disease run it's course and let everyone get sick. Whoever dies, dies.

The UK thought about going to the "Herd community" theory….didn't last that long.

There's a balance to be kept between the Economy and the Virus.

You can't just let the economy fall cause you won't be able to fight the virus but you also can't let virus go wild cause the society will break into a nightmare, it spreads way too rapidly and so many will need healthcare (and with 60% of America owning guns and a healthcare reserve to only those who can pay, it could even turn very ugly)

Trump and many of his idiots surrounding them are pushing to go that way saying the economic pain isn't worth it….if they do, it will be the end of the U.S.A. as we know it.

But here's the game in the U.S.A : The few rich are deciding……. the rich will get top healthcare, the rich don't want to share it and wants their privileges….but if they go in a lockdown way….the rich will suffer the most financially and will also lose their top of the line Healthcare made for the few who can afford it.

 

[waffledave]

man, I'm afraid to even take my mail, fearing that it may be contaminated

Let's say it was. How could the virus get inside you?

 

[waffledave]

The UK thought about going to the "Herd community" theory….didn't last that long.

There's a balance to be kept between the Economy and the Virus.

You can't just let the economy fall cause you won't be able to fight the virus but you also can't let virus go wild cause the society will break into a nightmare, it spreads way too rapidly and so many will need healthcare (and with 60% of America owning guns and a healthcare reserve to only those who can pay, it could even turn very ugly)

Trump and many of his idiots surrounding them are pushing to go that way saying the economic pain isn't worth it….if they do, it will be the end of the U.S.A. as we know it.

But here's the game in the U.S.A : The few rich are deciding……. the rich will get top healthcare, the rich don't want to share it and wants their privileges….but if they go in a lockdown way….the rich will suffer the most financially and will also lose their top of the line Healthcare made for the few who can afford it.

I think we will see the states breaking up if there is not a unified approach to handling this.

 

[Roadhouse]

So bets are on I guess... Quarantine Act or Emergency Measures Act?

I'm sure we'll hear about one of those two from Trudeau in a few minutes.

 

[Andy]

Let's say it was. How could the virus get inside you?

I guess if I touch my face and shit, but there is a series of reactions here. I gotta open the mail, then shut my door, then place the letter somewhere. I can wipe all that stuff down, but we only have one bottle of wipes that we are trying to ration.

This is nuts.

 

[Andrei79]

So, one thing I've noticed is that as more and more nations get this virus and report their numbers, it seems like the death rate is between 4-6%, which further suggests that China and Iran weren't accurately reporting their numbers.

I haven't checked how much testing China does (my understanding is it's more widespread), however if the tests here are only done to high risk or more symptomatic patients, you'll see a selection bias having a negative impact on those numbers. Once more widespread testing and different clinical (and non clinical) populations are tested, we'll have a better idea on the real number. Lots of other confounders here as well, for now.

 

[Milhouse40]

I think we will see the states breaking up if there is not a unified approach to handling this.

Here's something out there this morning:

Some of Trump’s allies have continued to publicly suggest the measures announced by the White House last week were too stringent and have caused unnecessary economic pain. Many of his conservative allies circulated a Wall Street Journal editorial from last week, which questioned whether the shutdown was worth the trade off of a shuttered economy.
That has helped fuel growing opposition among some of Trump’s advisers to an extended lockdown.

Officials aren’t sure where Trump will ultimately land after 15 days — and Dr. Anthony Fauci, the nation’s top infectious disease specialist, will continue to act as a critical voice behind the scenes.

Trump was initially resistant to Fauci’s recommendations that he take steps to encourage social distancing during the first go-around, people familiar with the deliberations said. The President remains unconvinced it was the right decision. And there are people around him who aren’t exactly reinforcing Fauci’s message, including some of his economic advisers.

When money is worth more than science and lives.

 

[CHfan1]

 

[Karma Police]

New York is one of the only state that has enogh supply to test everyone right now which makes the number look way more bigger than anywhere else except Washington right now. the numbers in the USA arent even official right now because of the lack of testing, which makes you wonder how hard they got hit

 

[Milhouse40]

Holy shit, New York has now 20 875 cases right now adding another 5707 new cases overnight.
That's more than France...

 

[atrud66]

man, you know who i feel really bad for in all this? the big oil companies! gas prices have taken a nosedive

Is this a joke?

 

[Milhouse40]

78 new cases in Ontario..

 

[SOLR]

man, I'm afraid to even take my mail, fearing that it may be contaminated

Relax, seriously. The lab survival rates can be inflated, but more importantly here's how to proceed with mail or things like mail.

1) Think to not touch your face.
2) Grab your mail from the box.
3) Do not touch your face.
4) When at home put the mail on an unused surface (I recommend over furniture).
5) Wash your hands, 30 seconds, fingernails.
6) Leave your mail "mature out of infection quarantine" 3 days alone.
7) Open.
8) Wash your hands.

 

[Hope Of Glory]

Here's something out there this morning:



When money is worth more than science and lives.

Which is pretty shortsighted because not doing enough right now will end up costing way more long term.

 

[Karma Police]

Relax, seriously. The lab survival rates can be inflated, but more importantly here's how to proceed with mail or things like mail.

1) Think to not touch your face.
2) Grab your mail from the box.
3) Do not touch your face.
4) When at home put the mail on an unused surface (I recommend over furniture).
5) Wash your hands, 30 seconds, fingernails.
6) Leave your mail "mature out of infection quarantine" 3 days alone.
7) Open.

Exactly. We need not to panic. the lifespan of the virus on Cardboard is 24h, 2-3 days on Stainless Steel (Unless washed) and 3 days for plastic (Unless washed).

Remember that the virus isnt floating in the air unless someone coughed near you which in return only last for a couple of minutes.

The virus intensity and infectiousness reduces as time passes so if something is infected, the % of chance you get infected from it greatly reduces as time passes.

 

[atrud66]

I tell ya tho, what ya say is 100% true...man they gouged us for years.......but last week Alberta oil dropped to $5.47 cents a barrel...(not a misprint..$5.47 cent a barrel) an all time record low in it's history....at those prices there no profits 100% losses...Some are now saying the WTI oil (West Texas)currently around $20 a barrel (stuff was near a $150 a barrel at one time)is heading for $5 a barrel...very interesting times .....goona be some massive layoffs in the oil patch if that keeps up...

I want people to take note of the imagery we're seeing right now - people walking around in face masks and grocery store aisles empty. People's health and food security are at risk during this pandemic.

If global emissions continue to rise, this imagery will become every day life. Just look at India - this past year, they had to shutdown schools for periods of time because the air was so polluted. If the temperature continues to rise, there will be more droughts and extreme weather events jeopardizing our production of food.

This pandemic is our opportunity to realize that our health and food security are our biggest needs as humans and that we need to do everything in our power to prevent future disasters. In a matter of weeks, our government took drastic measures to mitigate the pandemic. Our government can do the same to fight climate change.

When the government creates its stimulus package following this pandemic, I really hope they'll prioritize the health and food security of ALL people. This is why this is the time to invest big in renewable energy - because we can't afford to return to the status quo that will ensure future disasters. This doesn't mean leaving oil & gas workers behind. It means investing heavily in retraining them so that all Canadians are part of the solution.