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Chabot is locked in on the top pairing, and it's pretty clear that they see Brannstrom as the second pair guy on the left side. So there really isn't any spot for him to play. The Senators will never go with three offense oriented/puck movers on one side. They will want a traditional banger on the bottom pair.

So at some point in the relatively near future Wolanin will be moved out.

The caveat would be - if he can shift to the right side and be effective he greatly increases his chances of sticking around.

Brannstrom could be asked to move over as well. I'd like them to find a way to keep Wolanin in the lineup. He's been good for them in Ottawa. Really good for them in Belleville. If I was him I'd stick to my guns for a 1 way .. Ie refuse a 2 way
 

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Most GMs try to make their team better...and Boro is playing for the ONLY team where a player like him can make 300 games.
They had a pretty good season & went to the conference finals with him in the lineup two yrs ago. There are lots of defensive defencemen in the NHL that are similar to Boro or play a similar game. I guess we'll see next yr if he gets picked up by another team leading up to the trade deadline or re-signed here or allowed to walk & never plays another game.
 
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Boro is a UFA next season & could be gone by the trade deadline, if what EM says is true & they are going to have a team under 24 yrs old soon. I would guess that some playoff contending team would want a hard nosed D in their lineup given how tough the playoffs are or just cheap defensive depth. Ott might get a 3rd or 4th back for him, who knows?

I agree and would be into this, but I see them trading Wolanin and saying ‘you can’t have two rookies on the same side’ to sell the trade and have an excuse to keep Boro
 
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Chabot is locked in on the top pairing, and it's pretty clear that they see Brannstrom as the second pair guy on the left side. So there really isn't any spot for him to play. The Senators will never go with three offense oriented/puck movers on one side. They will want a traditional banger on the bottom pair.

So at some point in the relatively near future Wolanin will be moved out.

The caveat would be - if he can shift to the right side and be effective he greatly increases his chances of sticking around.
Thanks. Just wondering what the problem is with having one side being the PMD through all 3 lines? Hate to lose Wolanin if it could be remedied with physical RDs.
 

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They had a pretty good season & went to the conference finals with him in the lineup two yrs ago. There are lots of defensive defencemen in the NHL that are similar to Boro or play a similar game. I guess we'll see next yr if he gets picked up by another team leading up to the trade deadline or re-signed here or allowed to walk & never plays another game.

Boro played 2 games in the 2017 playoffs.
 

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Thanks. Just wondering what the problem is with having one side being the PMD through all 3 lines? Hate to lose Wolanin if it could be remedied with physical RDs.

I don't know if it's necessarily a 'problem' per se, but I don't get the feeling that it's something the Senators are likely to do. It's too non-traditional. That said, a lot of this depends on how they view the long-term structure of their defense playing out. If they see Ceci and JBD as the top-4 on RD in the future then I think they are more likely to want a more physical type to partner with Jaros. This is all speculative of course - things can and will change.

What I will say is this: with teams running one D/4 F power-play units almost exclusively, the role of the bottom-pairing PP specialist is pretty much dead. All the PP ice-time is now going to one or two defensemen per team, and in Ottawa that will likely be Chabot and Brannstrom. So Wolanin will have to be somebody who can both create at even strength and defend well enough to be trusted to play significant minutes. Otherwise he's just wasted here and better off being used as trade bait to fill other needs.
 
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I don't know if it's necessarily a 'problem' per se, but I don't get the feeling that it's something the Senators are likely to do. It's too non-traditional. That said, a lot of this depends on how they view the long-term structure of their defense playing out. If they see Ceci and JBD as the top-4 on RD in the future then I think they are more likely to want a more physical type to partner with Jaros. This is all speculative of course - things can and will change.

What I will say is this: with teams running one D/4 F power-play units almost exclusively, the role of the bottom-pairing PP specialist is pretty much dead. All the PP ice-time is now going to one or two defensemen per team, and in Ottawa that will likely be Chabot and Brannstrom. So Wolanin will have to be somebody who can both create at even strength and defend well enough to be trusted to play significant minutes. Otherwise he's just wasted here and better off being used as trade bait to fill other needs.
Thanks for your thoughts.
 
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I don't know if it's necessarily a 'problem' per se, but I don't get the feeling that it's something the Senators are likely to do. It's too non-traditional. That said, a lot of this depends on how they view the long-term structure of their defense playing out. If they see Ceci and JBD as the top-4 on RD in the future then I think they are more likely to want a more physical type to partner with Jaros. This is all speculative of course - things can and will change.

What I will say is this: with teams running one D/4 F power-play units almost exclusively, the role of the bottom-pairing PP specialist is pretty much dead. All the PP ice-time is now going to one or two defensemen per team, and in Ottawa that will likely be Chabot and Brannstrom. So Wolanin will have to be somebody who can both create at even strength and defend well enough to be trusted to play significant minutes. Otherwise he's just wasted here and better off being used as trade bait to fill other needs.

I agree the Senators very likely would think that way although I hope they don't. Pierre Dorion doesn't strike me as an innovator as much as someone who's struggling to keep up with others and therefore probably doesn't have a very flexible view on personnel. But even just a few years ago Pietrangelo / Bouwmeester was maybe the top D pairing in the league and neither plays overly physical, so it certainly can work putting together a successful pairing without a big hitter.

Weird thing is when Boucher was hired 2 seasons ago we had that whole system where the RD was supposed to be the puck mover on every pairing and somehow we have completely flip flopped sides since then.
 
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That’ll raise his value. He could be a trade throw in to move up in the draft. I’d rather keep him but he is a nice asset on our deepest side

I wouldn’t be saying any of this if the organization didn’t pre gift a D spot to Boro

He is going to be better than half the guys drafted in this first round this year maybe more I really hope he isnt a throw in.

Good decision for Wolanin to go. Could be a nice opportunity for him to audition for other teams.

He'ss not in Ottawa's long-term plans IMO.

LOL what? Not trying to derail this thread but what an outrageous thing to just come up with on a team that has like no elite talent and he is one of the few that has showed he can be an impact player.

I don't know if it's necessarily a 'problem' per se, but I don't get the feeling that it's something the Senators are likely to do. It's too non-traditional. That said, a lot of this depends on how they view the long-term structure of their defense playing out. If they see Ceci and JBD as the top-4 on RD in the future then I think they are more likely to want a more physical type to partner with Jaros. This is all speculative of course - things can and will change.

What I will say is this: with teams running one D/4 F power-play units almost exclusively, the role of the bottom-pairing PP specialist is pretty much dead. All the PP ice-time is now going to one or two defensemen per team, and in Ottawa that will likely be Chabot and Brannstrom. So Wolanin will have to be somebody who can both create at even strength and defend well enough to be trusted to play significant minutes. Otherwise he's just wasted here and better off being used as trade bait to fill other needs.
This is a crazy ficticious scenario you have made up. Just because some teams run 4 and 1 on the pp doesnt mean its the right fit for this organization and its personel. Teams dont just do something for the sake of it they do whats right for the players on this team.

Wolanin has great pucks skills and is still learning the position and has specifically stated he can play RD. I bet he gets atleast a half decent look playing his wrong side next year.

This reminds me of the argument that the sens have to trade one of Pageau or Tierney because they are 3rd line centers. Thats not how it works, centers can move to wing you dont just move assets because it doesnt fit perfectly into a roster that is currently nothing what its going to look like when the team starts to compete for a playoff spot. Thats terrible asset management (which I guess considering Dorions recent moves isnt an outrageous concept. Or that he would make stupid decisions like this but we cant assume total ineptitude at the NHL level).

Thanks. Just wondering what the problem is with having one side being the PMD through all 3 lines? Hate to lose Wolanin if it could be remedied with physical RDs.

Colorado is rolling with Makar and Girard right now having two puck movers isnt the end of the world, I hope to god there is some sort of creativity coming to this coaching staff.
 
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He is going to be better than half the guys drafted in this first round this year maybe more I really hope he isnt a throw in.



LOL what? Not trying to derail this thread but what an outrageous thing to just come up with on a team that has like no elite talent and he is one of the few that has showed he can be an impact player.


This is a crazy ficticious scenario you have made up. Just because some teams run 4 and 1 on the pp doesnt mean its the right fit for this organization and its personel. Teams dont just do something for the sake of it they do whats right for the players on this team.

Wolanin has great pucks skills and is still learning the position and has specifically stated he can play RD. I bet he gets atleast a half decent look playing his wrong side next year.

This reminds me of the argument that the sens have to trade one of Pageau or Tierney because they are 3rd line centers. Thats not how it works, centers can move to wing you dont just move assets because it doesnt fit perfectly into a roster that is currently nothing what its going to look like when the team starts to compete for a playoff spot. Thats terrible asset management (which I guess considering Dorions recent moves isnt an outrageous concept. Or that he would make stupid decisions like this but we cant assume total ineptitude at the NHL level).



Colorado is rolling with Makar and Girard right now having two puck movers isnt the end of the world, I hope to god there is some sort of creativity coming to this coaching staff.
went full xspirit on that one
 
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He is going to be better than half the guys drafted in this first round this year maybe more I really hope he isnt a throw in.



LOL what? Not trying to derail this thread but what an outrageous thing to just come up with on a team that has like no elite talent and he is one of the few that has showed he can be an impact player.


This is a crazy ficticious scenario you have made up. Just because some teams run 4 and 1 on the pp doesnt mean its the right fit for this organization and its personel. Teams dont just do something for the sake of it they do whats right for the players on this team.

Wolanin has great pucks skills and is still learning the position and has specifically stated he can play RD. I bet he gets atleast a half decent look playing his wrong side next year.

This reminds me of the argument that the sens have to trade one of Pageau or Tierney because they are 3rd line centers. Thats not how it works, centers can move to wing you dont just move assets because it doesnt fit perfectly into a roster that is currently nothing what its going to look like when the team starts to compete for a playoff spot. Thats terrible asset management (which I guess considering Dorions recent moves isnt an outrageous concept. Or that he would make stupid decisions like this but we cant assume total ineptitude at the NHL level).



Colorado is rolling with Makar and Girard right now having two puck movers isnt the end of the world, I hope to god there is some sort of creativity coming to this coaching staff.

Agree 100%.

Especially when it comes to blueliners. You can never have too many quality defensemen.

It's insane to think we have the worst blueline in the league, yet folks are already tossing some of our young defenders away as expendables or throw-ins.
 
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Wolanin is our 2nd, or at worst 3rd best D right now depending on how you view Demelo, which in itself is sad seeing he's a rookie and Demelo is a bottom pair stop gap.

Why would we, the team with the worst blueline in the league by miles, be even contemplating trading him. That is completely absurd.
 

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Wolanin isnt going anywhere

And didn't Brannstrom play RD to Dahlin at the WJC?

Chabot Brannstrom
Wolanin Jaros

Then:

Chabot Seider
Brannstrom Jaros
Wolanin JBD
 

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Wolanin is our 2nd, or at worst 3rd best D right now depending on how you view Demelo, which in itself is sad seeing he's a rookie and Demelo is a bottom pair stop gap.

Why would we, the team with the worst blueline in the league by miles, be even contemplating trading him. That is completely absurd.

f***, I'd be so pissed if they trade Wolanin. It's not even worth raising the blood pressure, one would hope they're smarter than that (lol)
 

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Trading a young, emerging asset would fly in the face of what they are apparently trying to accomplish.

He is cost controlled which is the biggest reason to keep him from org standpoint but his skill is apparent so moving him would be asinine.
 

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I see Wolanin as trade bait too or insurance if one of JBD or EB don’t develop as planned.

A D composed of TC, EB, JBD, CW is really soft unless a few of those players develop some shut down awareness in their own end. Teams 1-2 lines would skate through them.

Even if we add a Sieder type in 2019 he won’t play until at least 2020 and that leaves us with Jaros, Ceci, or Demelo.

Selling high and trading CW at the 2019 deadline for a first or top prospect may make sense. Especially if JBD takes a step.
 

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Its kind of funny that the sens are sending 3 defensemen to represent their countries despite having the worst top 6 in the nhl

lol... nice catch.

On another note, Sweden is going to be stacked in the back end in the coming years not that it already isn't.

Hedman-Karlsson
Dahlin-Stralman
Heiskanen-Larsson
OEL-Klingberg
Brannstrom-
 
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