NHL Entry Draft 2019 Entry Draft Discussion

[Upgrayedd]

Not disappointed in the Avs pick sliding down but still doesn't change the poor trade much for me, if we had kept Duchene or he ends up coming back it will soften the blow a bit but it still is what it is which was an extremely short sighted very poor trade pulled at a seeming direction time imo. While I wouldn't be rubbing it in people's noses, I certainly would be following the pick if the situation were reversed. No real ill will towards Avs fans personally.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

I have zero expectations or hope that Duchene comes back, but if he did that would be a coup that borderline saves the trade.

Oh me too, no expectations whatsoever. I was just clarifying the terms of the hypothetical.

And yeah agree it would still be just borderline but likely saves it from being a true disaster

Honestly I'm just hoping that Duchene re-signs with Columbus. I feel like that's the best the deal can possibly turn out.

 

[SpezDispenser]

Well, I wouldn't put money on Calgary to win four rounds. You can't have bad goaltending and win a series. You can do it without good goaltending, but not with bad goaltending.

I still have Las Vegas coming out of the West.

I cant think of a team in the west that is anything like Tampa bay. I guess lv has as good a chance as any. Part of me still doesnt believe in them, but stoner is a massive addition.

Winnipeg should be built for the playoffs if they can shake off any jitters.

If I can stay up, the west will be very interesting to watch.

 

[NyQuil]

Honestly I'm just hoping that Duchene re-signs with Columbus. I feel like that's the best the deal can possibly turn out.

I agree, and yet somehow I think it's unlikely.

They've come on strong late but it is a team coached by Torts.

 

[BondraTime]

Duchene will be leaving, as will Bob and Panarin and likely Dzingel.

 

[Acidrain66]

Duchene will be leaving, as will Bob and Panarin and likely Dzingel.

That system doesn't suits his game.

 

[branch]

Very true, there are a bunch of different scenerios that could have happened, I guess I am just not as ecstatic as others about the draft lottery results.

It also just feels weird being SO happy that Colorado didn't get 1st overall, like it some sort of vindication for terrible management?

I totally I understand what you're saying. But I am incredibly happy that COL is not picking 1st for incredibly selfish and emotional reasons.

 

[NyQuil]

But I am incredibly happy that COL is not picking 1st for incredibly selfish and emotional reasons.

Not totally selfish.

It's likely better for Brady Tkachuk's career in Ottawa.

 

[trentmccleary]

Thank goodness for small miracles! This takes some sting out of that awful trade.

I think they are saying if Duchene comes back. If we get Duchene back honestly it'll be close to a win. Duchene is a near-elite player

This was his 10th season. He just posted his third 60+ point season, he has hemorrhaged goals against at even strength his entire career and the only thing he leads teams to is last place finishes. He isn't elite. Hopefully, he re-signs in Columbus.

* This stat can be affected by ice time and team quality.

Player	GP	TGA	SHGA	EVGA	EVGA/GP
St. Louis 07-13	535	613	71	542	1.01
ATL-Kovalchuk	594	574	19	555	0.93
Tavares	747	713	38	675	0.90
Duchene	727	668	37	631	0.87
Staal	1089	1042	117	925	0.85
Stamkos	742	649	36	613	0.83
Ovechkin	1081	913	21	892	0.83
Kane	899	743	2	741	0.82
Malkin	850	723	26	697	0.82
Crosby	939	814	45	769	0.82
Lecavalier	1130	1002	78	924	0.82
Kessel	992	807	3	804	0.81
St. Louis	1134	1075	156	919	0.81
Benn	743	656	83	573	0.77
Heatley	869	723	59	664	0.76
Spezza	951	752	36	716	0.75
Stone	384	328	41	287	0.75
Giroux	816	722	113	609	0.75
B.Richards	1126	955	121	834	0.74
Kovalev	1127	916	107	809	0.72
Kopitar	999	919	204	715	0.72
Iginla	1392	1117	123	994	0.71
Marleau	1095	937	157	780	0.71
Wheeler	856	706	109	597	0.70
Doan	1291	1009	121	888	0.69
Getzlaf	982	787	118	669	0.68
Recchi	1188	968	165	803	0.68
Toews	869	742	156	586	0.67
Backstrom	893	692	93	599	0.67
Selanne	1271	883	46	837	0.66
Thornton	1285	940	94	846	0.66
Zetterberg	1082	852	140	712	0.66
Alfredsson	1246	975	159	816	0.65
Sedin	1012	692	51	641	0.63
Gaborik	1035	658	35	623	0.60
Bergeron	954	803	231	572	0.60
Datsyuk	953	632	88	544	0.57
Elias	1224	811	134	677	0.55
Hossa	1309	932	245	687	0.52

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[NyQuil]

I just see a lot of guys who play a lot of minutes.

But I don’t know how Duchene fits long term.

Stone is the guy that can bring the youngsters along but he’s long gone.

 

[UnHappyDude]

Others have said it but I'll say it again: Great that the pick ended up being the 4th, but still a really bad, shortsighted trade to trade that pick. Sens could use a 4th overall pick right now. Would really have helped the rebuild. at least until the point the player was up for a contract and they had to be traded away because they cost too much....

 

[trentmccleary]

I just see a lot of guys who play a lot of minutes.

Would you say that the guys near the top are generally considered poor defensively and the ones near the bottom are generally considered great defensively?

 

[NyQuil]

Would you say that the guys near the top are generally considered poor defensively and the ones near the bottom are generally considered great defensively?

I wasn’t sure how you selected the names.

Anyway, the smiley was meant as a joke.

 

[BonkTastic]

I suspect the team itself has moved on from Duchene.

Agreed.

 

[trentmccleary]

I wasn’t sure how you selected the names.

Anyway, the smiley was meant as a joke.

I followed up a discussion on the HOH Top 100 voting about St. Louis's poor EVGA numbers, so they were supposed to be his contemporaries. Though, I didn't realize how bad the isolated 07-13 looked at the time.

 

[FormentonTheFuture]

I followed up a discussion on the HOH Top 100 voting about St. Louis's poor EVGA numbers, so they were supposed to be his contemporaries. Though, I didn't realize how bad the isolated 07-13 looked at the time.

I like your signature.

 

[HSF]

I rather Duchene sign with CBJ and we get another 1st rounder

at this point we should just tank hard next season

 

[NyQuil]

I followed up a discussion on the HOH Top 100 voting about St. Louis's poor EVGA numbers, so they were supposed to be his contemporaries. Though, I didn't realize how bad the isolated 07-13 looked at the time.

I always liked Martin St. Louis - he was my favourite non-Senator in the Alfredsson era so I did find the numbers surprising.

I was livid when he was originally left off the 2010 Olympic team. It was big news as Yzerman was his NHL GM and he made the call.

I always felt he was a motor who worked hard both ways but the numbers are interesting for sure.

That immediate post-lockout period probably produces some weird results.

 

[Xspyrit]

I think they are saying if Duchene comes back. If we get Duchene back honestly it'll be close to a win. Duchene is a near-elite player

What Avs got from the Sens :

1) 4th OA pick in 2019

2) Turris (but good for them they did well trading him instead of giving him a similar contract to what he got, which looks already like a burden after 1 season)

3) Shane Bowers

4) 63rd OA in 2019

What the Sens got from Avs and Jackets :

1) 19th OA pick in 2019 (not 100% guaranteed yet, but most likely)

2) Vitali Abramov

3) Jonathan Davidsson

4) Matt Duchene 118 games as a Senator (it didn't work out well in terms of team performance but individually, Duchene had 107 pts in 118 games)

5) Avs paying Hammond's remaining salary (~ 1 M$)

Then there's 2 possible scenarios where the Sens get something more :

- Conditional 1st in 2020 if Duchene re-signs with the Jackets

- Conditional Matt Duchene long-term if he re-signs with the Sens


If Duchene signs with Ottawa (which is obviously not likely with current ownership but you never know), this trade could become a "win" easily, also depending on picks and prospects. Now, there's also the chance that the Sens first round pick becomes better than the Avs 4th OA (if they hit a homerun ala Chabot or Karlsson it could be somewhat easy)

Now let's say Abramov for Bowers is a wash and Davidsson for the 3rd is a wash too. Let's also say that Duchene as a "rental" + Hammond dump + conditional 1st/Duchene re-signing in Ottawa for Turris is a wash too, it'll come down to that 4th OA vs that 19th OA. Pressure is on the Avs making the right pick and developing it. Sens have shown they are actually quite good at the draft table.

If Duchene re-signs in Ottawa, the losers will be the Jackets, not the Avs that still got a good return for him no matter what. Preds are already a big loser in that trade that involved 4 different teams. If the Jackets can re-sign Duchene, then they could be loser too as the price paid would have been two first round picks (and who knows the one next year could be?) and 2 good/decent prospects.

In the end, a LOT remains to be seen to draw any conclusion. That would be foolish to. If Dorion manages to salvage this trade, I'll be a lot less critical in the future

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Avs fans .. Almost as entitled sounding as Leafs fans

 

[solidprospect]

 

[aligator]

I rather Duchene sign with CBJ and we get another 1st rounder
Tanking is foolish as last night's lottery resuluts clearly illustrate. The Sens have no intention of deliberately tanking.
at this point we should just tank hard next season

 

[RAFI BOMB]

 

[RAFI BOMB]

Jamieson Rees has a decent set of hands for a player ranked in the middle rounds

 

[BondraTime]

Sens should grab Ahac before someone else does, I would be happy to get him with Pittsburghs 3rd, or earlier if need be.

He's going to be a steal, kids got everything you want in a D. He should be the #2 out of the BCHL easily imo.

He should be looked a thing with 44th, or a few spots down with a trade back.

I thought we could wait and get him later, but don't see him lasting past the early 3rd at the latest.