WC: 2019 Division I, II, III

[Pardus]

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[HungryFrank]

What if China never uses their KHL/VHL roster in WC, only for OG?

 

[vorky]

What if China never uses their KHL/VHL roster in WC, only for OG?

They have already used a few guys. Guessing others do not fulfil the IIHF citizenship, but it needs time. China had the youngest roster at 2019 IIHF World D2A.

Plus, China will have the 2nd team in the KHL sooner than later. Yes, the question is where to find players with Chinese origin. But I believe, it will be done somehow.

Regarding Asia, Japan will have a KHL team as well. No reports on South Korea yet. We will see.

All Asian nations will join the MHL (junior) and the VHL (2nd men tier) as well. So, it will help them to develop better players in the future.

 

[HungryFrank]

They have already used a few guys. Guessing others do not fulfil the IIHF citizenship, but it needs time. China had the youngest roster at 2019 IIHF World D2A.

Who already played for them? I mean, out of the players signed as a part of KHL/VHL project.

Also, I wouldn't say there is any reason for optimism based on their performance in D2A, that's really low hockey level and they were bad.

 

[SoundAndFury]

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Yup, that's an accurate assessment of what happened to Lithuanian team today.

 

[SoundAndFury]

Watching this makes me wonder how much is Dalton paid in Korea. His contract is up, Olympics are far gone and he has played in Korea for 5 years already. Seems like there is little incentive for him to want to stay there unless a) he is paid truckload of money; b) he really hates moving around. But after a tournament like this, and his career in general, I can imagine he could easily find a well-paid job in a solid league.

 

[ozo]

Belarus barely looks better than Korea outside of their first line which consists of Platt and Bailen...

 

[Urbanskog]

Who already played for them? I mean, out of the players signed as a part of KHL/VHL project.

Also, I wouldn't say there is any reason for optimism based on their performance in D2A, that's really low hockey level and they were bad.

None, all the players on this year's team were Chinese-born. There was an IIHF article on Brandon Yip regarding his journey in China and the 2022 Olympics and it was stated that he hasn't managed to obtain a Chinese passport for whatever the reason which presumably applies to all the other players as well.

 

[SoundAndFury]

So Belarussian masters are left thanking Lithuanian bums for their promotion. Oh well, you are welcome.

 

[Namejs]

So Belarussian masters are left thanking Lithuanian bums for their promotion. Oh well, you are welcome.

Yeah, it's a shame they have a get out of jail free card next year.

 

[BOS358]

Yeah, it's a shame they have a get out of jail free card next year.

Very true, but their hosting in 2021 may just set them up for the humiliation of being relegated on home ice. Don't forget that if Belarus and Latvia are in the same group next year, there is the potential that only one team from the top division will be relegated.

 

[Urbanskog]

Belarus has now spent exactly one year outside the elite division after 2004, I think it's exaggerated to think that they have suddenly regressed to an elevator team.

 

[sytheman]

Though we failed to get promoted, I am pleased with the way we wrap up the campaign. Granted Belarus had nothing to gain from this game, but it is always nice beating a top 15 team.

Now I hope we will host 2020 edition of this tourney in Gangneung (Pyeongchang).

 

[sytheman]

Watching this makes me wonder how much is Dalton paid in Korea. His contract is up, Olympics are far gone and he has played in Korea for 5 years already. Seems like there is little incentive for him to want to stay there unless a) he is paid truckload of money; b) he really hates moving around. But after a tournament like this, and his career in general, I can imagine he could easily find a well-paid job in a solid league.

He gets paid about 300k USD. Korea is quite western-friendly so he gets treated a tons of respect for being an English-speaking white man. He also seems to buy and value what the country can offer him over paycheck: High level of social security, high-speed internet, world-class public transportation, etc. He will turn 33 this year so he will likely wrap up his career in Korea.

 

[BOS358]

Belarus has now spent exactly one year outside the elite division after 2004, I think it's exaggerated to think that they have suddenly regressed to an elevator team.

True, but they were dangerously close to being relegated in 2016 as well, even losing to Hungary. This article from IIHF.com explains it more clearly.

 

[kabidjan18]

True, but they were dangerously close to being relegated in 2016 as well, even losing to Hungary. This article from IIHF.com explains it more clearly.

Wow, I had forgotten that match, but now that I think of it, I remember.

 

[ZT]

DIVISION I GROUP A
Round 5 results:

Slovenia - Lithuania 9:0
Belarus - Korea 1:4
Kazakhstan - Hungary 3:1

FINAL RANKING:

1. Kazakhstan - 14 pts - PROMOTED
2. Belarus - 10 pts - PROMOTED
3. Korea - 9 pts
4. Slovenia - 6 pts
5. Hungary - 3 pts
6. Lithuania - 3 pts - RELEGATED

 

[SoundAndFury]

He gets paid about 300k USD. Korea is quite western-friendly so he gets treated a tons of respect for being an English-speaking white man. He also seems to buy and value what the country can offer him over paycheck: High level of social security, high-speed internet, world-class public transportation, etc. He will turn 33 this year so he will likely wrap up his career in Korea.

I think internet and transportation isn't too bad in Sweden or Austria either. Having said that, 300k is a lot for an option unproven in Europe, more than I would have expected. His age is exactly a factor in my thoughts, this is likely his last chance to move elsewhere still in his prime.

 

[sytheman]

As long as Jim Paek is with us, those imports will stay. He ain't going anywhere.

 

[ozo]

Belarus has now spent exactly one year outside the elite division after 2004, I think it's exaggerated to think that they have suddenly regressed to an elevator team.

They have been living on a borrowed time for a while. Additions of Platt, Lalande, Linglet and Bailen has helped mask their shortcomings quite a bit. They twice managed to survive by having a single victory the whole tournament (can't remember whether one of those times they were saved from relegation by being host country next year).

 

[kabidjan18]

They have been living on a borrowed time for a while. Additions of Platt, Lalande, Linglet and Bailen has helped mask their shortcomings quite a bit. They twice managed to survive by having a single victory the whole tournament (can't remember whether one of those times they were saved from relegation by being host country next year).

If they can have all their old guard next year though, Andrei Kostitsyn, Sergei Kostitsyn, Geoff Platt, Nick Bailen, Yevgeni Kovyrshin, Andrei Stepanov, Dmitri Korobov, Andrei Stas, and Alexander Pavlovich, then they'll be really hard to beat.

 

[Uncle Rotter]

Imports accounted for 50% of Kazakhstan's goals, as well as their starting goalie.

 

[ozo]

All you need to know about this tournament.

 

[Namejs]

All you need to know about this tournament.

Someone brought up a 300k salary for representing Korea. I guess the salary should be similar for all the other mercenaries, maybe even higher in some cases.

Kazakhstan had 5 imports this year. That's 1.5 million a year. How many youth programs can you finance with that sort of money? You can build a basic ice rink for 1.5-2M or pretty much cover all the yearly expenses of a couple of ice rinks.

So much money wasted on a bunch of foreigners.

In the Korean case it makes some sense due to a lack of hockey tradition, but I would be absolutely livid if I was a Belarusian or a Kazakhstani hockey fan.

 

[Shrimper]

I saw people saying that Belarus and Latvia can't be relegated next year, why's that?