Prospect Info: 2019 Avalanche Development Camp [June 26th to 28th]

[klozge]

The Tampa Bay of defenses.

Unlike in Tampa there are quite a few playoff performer on this squad.

 

[Patagonia]

Hypothetically if Timmins really rebounds, would he need to be protected for expansion?

Timmins might be exempted due to his serious injury, they can use a special exemption clause.

 

[RoyIsALegend]

I still see a lot of Silfverberg in Kaut.

Same size and right handed shot, but it’s the skating and general approach on the ice that is very similar. Cerebral type player, consistent but won’t be flashy.

Second line winger at best, third line winger at worst. Just my opinion.

 

[Makar to MacK]

Hypothetically if Timmins really rebounds, would he need to be protected for expansion?

Great question because he signed last year but never actually played. I hadn't thought about that and it brings up an excellent point

 

[Perratrooper]

I still see a lot of Silfverberg in Kaut.

Same size and right handed shot, but it’s the skating and general approach on the ice that is very similar. Cerebral type player, consistent but won’t be flashy.

Second line winger at best, third line winger at worst. Just my opinion.

Does Kaut have the same shootout move?

 

[Ivan13]

I still see a lot of Silfverberg in Kaut.

Same size and right handed shot, but it’s the skating and general approach on the ice that is very similar. Cerebral type player, consistent but won’t be flashy.

Second line winger at best, third line winger at worst. Just my opinion.

That’d be amazing. I see a 3rd liner, though.

 

[henchman21]

Hypothetically if Timmins really rebounds, would he need to be protected for expansion?

He would need to be protected unless the NHL and NHLPA grant a waiver. Opinions on whether it would be approved or not vary... it is very unknown and won't be known until the a month or so before the expansion draft.

 

[CobraAcesS]

He would need to be protected unless the NHL and NHLPA grant a waiver. Opinions on whether it would be approved or not vary... it is very unknown and won't be known until the a month or so before the expansion draft.

I mean if anyone had a case to make lol.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

I still see a lot of Silfverberg in Kaut.

Same size and right handed shot, but it’s the skating and general approach on the ice that is very similar. Cerebral type player, consistent but won’t be flashy.

Second line winger at best, third line winger at worst. Just my opinion.

I think that's a good and fair comparison.

 

[CobraAcesS]

I think that's a good and fair comparison.

Who has the better shot?

 

[henchman21]

I mean if anyone had a case to make lol.

The intent on the injury stuff is more recent though... like the season before an expansion draft they couldn't pay and may not play again. A couple years before that case may not be there. Timmins could have 2 excellent years and be 100% healthy... then it doesn't follow the intent.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Who has the better shot?

Hard to say...

I feel like it's being biased to say Kaut because Silf has a sneaky good release and pick corners well.

I'm not sure Kaut is as accurate with his but I think its maybe a harder shot.




That's the goal that immediately popped into my head when it comes to Silfv. Nasty shot and extremely accurate. I think Kauts shot could be as good one day but probably not right now.

 

[CobraAcesS]

The intent on the injury stuff is more recent though... like the season before an expansion draft they couldn't pay and may not play again. A couple years before that case may not be there. Timmins could have 2 excellent years and be 100% healthy... then it doesn't follow the intent.

Interesting how that works.. I'd think the fact that he really does only have two pro years would matter. That also includes development as well. Since he basically lost an entire year with very little ability to even train.

I wonder if there is enough grey area in the rule to make a case, but it does not sound like it from that perspective. I mean if he does not have two solid years I doubt we even care at that point.

 

[Foxtail]

could you imagine...

Makar-Byram
Timmins-Girard
Barrie-Zadorov

Why you playing them on their off side
We gonna get home ice this year

Edit: ok I'm late

 

[CobraAcesS]

Hard to say...

I feel like it's being biased to say Kaut because Silf has a sneaky good release and pick corners well.

I'm not sure Kaut is as accurate with his but I think its maybe a harder shot.

I just know Kaut's shot is a plus part of his tools that isn't talked about much, and being able to pop 20 goals along with the defensive game is sort of the hallmark of Silver's game. Kind of a poor mans Landeskog in a way. Although Landy gets his goals a bit differently. It really would be a good comp if their shots are comparable.

I will say we really could use a forward like that. That is one of the reasons I like the idea of Donskoi. Those guys might not drive the second line, but they could play a important role on it. Or even play the defensive role Landy did on the first line if we need to move him down.

 

[henchman21]

Interesting how that works.. I'd think the fact that he really does only have two pro years would matter. That also includes development as well. Since he basically lost an entire year with very little ability to even train.

I wonder if there is enough grey area in the rule to make a case, but it does not sound like it from that perspective. I mean if he does not have two solid years I doubt we even care at that point.

The grey area is just in the waiver itself. If they just go by the rules now, Timmins would be eligible. You're latter point is really the issue too. It is only a waiver if he ends up going... otherwise the Avs don't care. Why would the other NHL teams and NHLPA want the Avs to be allowed to keep a better player because he was injured for a season a few years earlier and is fine now?

 

[Patagonia]

The intent on the injury stuff is more recent though... like the season before an expansion draft they couldn't pay and may not play again. A couple years before that case may not be there. Timmins could have 2 excellent years and be 100% healthy... then it doesn't follow the intent.

This would fall into a very Grey area.

Timmins missed the entire season due to a very serious injury. Does he have a potential career ending injury? Difficult to determine with Concussions. Another issue is would his contract slide due to the injury cost an entire year pushing his experience to be under 2 years? Consequently, exempting him from the draft?

"* Players with potential career-ending injuries who have missed more than the previous 60 consecutive games (or who otherwise have been confirmed to have a career-threatening injury) may not be used to satisfy a team's player exposure requirements unless approval is received from the NHL. Such players also may be deemed exempt from selection."

Given the severity, the NHL could allow the exemption. Although, doubt Seattle would choose him anyways given the severity unless he has a miraculous recovery during the next 2 seasons.

 

[henchman21]

"previous 60 consecutive games" means the last 60 games of 20-21... not all of 18-19.

 

[CobraAcesS]

The grey area is just in the waiver itself. If they just go by the rules now, Timmins would be eligible. You're latter point is really the issue too. It is only a waiver if he ends up going... otherwise the Avs don't care. Why would the other NHL teams and NHLPA want the Avs to be allowed to keep a better player because he was injured for a season a few years earlier and is fine now?

Yeah, but the fact is he actually lost an entire year. He wasn't in another league developing like usual. So in reality he will only have two years of pro experience. Which fits with the spirit of the rule.

I know we won't get details, but it would be interesting. I also can't see the league caring all that much unless the kid was trending in the direction of a #3D. If hes a 4/5 with maybe a bit of upside I can't imagine the NHL/NHLPA putting up much of a fight.

Speaking of.. No one has really been talking about Meloche in all of this. Right now at least to start our bottom pair is wide open. Timmins lost a year, but Meloche has been developing. Isn't there at least some merit to arguing that Meloche has just as good of a shot at that last right D slot?

 

[Northern Avs Fan]

Also said that Kaut looked phenomenal and he should be in the NHL next season.

He said he his goal is to be with the Avs this season. We’ll see, could be a very nice addition to the top 9.

 

[CobraAcesS]

He said he his goal is to be with the Avs this season. We’ll see, could be a very nice addition to the top 9.

Well more competition for that #2C role is a good thing.

 

[Northern Avs Fan]

Well more competition for that #2C role is a good thing.

Isn’t he a winger? Thought Bowers was the C.

 

[CobraAcesS]

Isn’t he a winger? Thought Bowers was the C.

Some of our centers are better at wing, and some of our wingers are better at center. So pretty much anything is possible at this point lol.






It was a joke. Didn't mean to confuse you. You are correct.

 

[Northern Avs Fan]

Some of our centers are better at wing, and some of our wingers are better at center. So pretty much anything is possible at this point lol.






It was a joke. Didn't mean to confuse you. You are correct.

Oh haha sorry. Right over my head.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

I dont think Kaut will start in the NHL but I do think he's a good candidate to get a callup by December and could absolutely see him sticking.


He plays a style that's suitable to play in the bottom 6 and handle the role well.