Prospect Info: 2019 #98 - Matias Maccelli - LW

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Ah yes the Canadian media pushing for the Ducks and Kraken?? You fellas need to stop using the same crutch for everything. He will be in the discussion but missing games and not scoring will hurt. Plus that team record rarely does them favors and many might think he wouldn't get same opportunities on better team. All of these things favor Beniers.
Canadian media sucks, but they won't be the cause of Macceli losing out on the Calder. Berniers is simply having a better year. Goals count more than assists when dealing with equivalent points made.
 

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Well ARZ got dragged through the mud when Bill traded Chychrun ..especially by the Canadian media… so there may be something there…

on the radio yesterday Marek tried talking about Maccelli to Friedman and said do the Yotes have a player there? Friedman said I would like to talk about Owen Power and (whichever rookie D ) and some rookie goalies..
It was amazing how Friedman just totally ignored Maccelli in that conversation. I don't want to say there's a bias against Coyote players but there's a bias against Coyote players.
 

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Let’s be real Beniers was the favorite as early as last year when he was good for the kraken at the end of coming out of college.
 

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Canadian media sucks, but they won't be the cause of Macceli losing out on the Calder. Berniers is simply having a better year. Goals count more than assists when dealing with equivalent points made.

Or you could look at ppg....and apply a stipulation such as minimum games played > 60 and easily see who produced at a higher rate
 

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It was amazing how Friedman just totally ignored Maccelli in that conversation. I don't want to say there's a bias against Coyote players but there's a bias against Coyote players.
That's why I don't listen to all those different podcasts. I do love Biznasty though, and what he brings to the table. Fun and honesty. Not trying to do something he's not. Keeps it simple and light. A breath of fresh air. Like watching Biz and Yandle on the TNT broadcast.
 

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The point is still the same, Coyote players get the recognition they deserve. If leaning on the crutch helps you then have at it but it's far from factual. Would love an example though of one Coyote player who didn't get a reward they deserved?
Coyote's in general don't get the recognition they deserve. The only time they get any kind of recognition is of the negative kind, then it makes the news big time. If Keller and Maccelli were in Canada they would be getting way more hype. All Canadians say is move the team, they don't deserve a team, etc. etc. They don't even get the information correct, but they still spout off, and of course everyone in Canada pile on to their comments. Monkey see monkey do. I'm not talking about awards, rather Coyote's in general.
 

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Coyote's in general don't get the recognition they deserve. The only time they get any kind of recognition is of the negative kind, then it makes the news big time. If Keller and Maccelli were in Canada they would be getting way more hype. All Canadians say is move the team, they don't deserve a team, etc. etc. They don't even get the information correct, but they still spout off, and of course everyone in Canada pile on to their comments. Monkey see monkey do. I'm not talking about awards, rather Coyote's in general.
Funny thing is, if all the haters get what they want (relocation) their lives will not change one bit for the better. There's nothing they gain from it.
 

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Coyote's in general don't get the recognition they deserve. The only time they get any kind of recognition is of the negative kind, then it makes the news big time. If Keller and Maccelli were in Canada they would be getting way more hype. All Canadians say is move the team, they don't deserve a team, etc. etc. They don't even get the information correct, but they still spout off, and of course everyone in Canada pile on to their comments. Monkey see monkey do. I'm not talking about awards, rather Coyote's in general.
Of course they would get more hype, they are Canadian networks covering Canadian teams. First coverage goes to local team and players and then it goes to stars. So generally its McDavid, Draisaitl, Crosby, Ovie, Tampa , and so on. How much attention would you expect AZ players to get from TSN or Sportsnet?? They aren't leading League and Team isn't challenging for 1st. They get the expected coverage, about the same as Columbus, Minnie, Chicago, and so on

Check your local news tonight and tell me how much they report on Scottie Barnes and Pascal Siakam of the Raptors? No idea why you expect more from Canadian networks??
 
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Of course they would get more hype, they are Canadian networks covering Canadian teams. First coverage goes to local team and players and then it goes to stars. So generally its McDavid, Draisaitl, Crosby, Ovie, Tampa , and so on. How much attention would you expect AZ players to get from TSN or Sportsnet?? They aren't leading League and Team isn't challenging for 1st. They get the expected coverage, about the same as Columbus, Minnie, Chicago, and so on

Check your local news tonight and tell me how much they report on Scottie Barnes and Pascal Siakam of the Raptors? No idea why you expect more from Canadian networks??
Isn't hockey "Canada's game"? The only thing you hear from Canada about the Coyote's is everything negative.
 

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Isn't hockey "Canada's game"? The only thing you hear from Canada about the Coyote's is everything negative.
If you owned a sports network in Canada now would you give your customers the content they want? How much Coyote coverage do you think that is? Again no idea why you guys would expect more? I could see you expecting it from the NHL Network but not a private Canadian network.

I will guarantee you that if the Coyotes draft Bedard or are a Cup Contender they will get plenty of reporting in Canada.
 
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I've been playing around with the latest AI platforms and asked them, "Who are the leading Calder trophy candidates?

ChatGPT recognized that we were in the 2022-23 season but gave me the candidates for last season. :huh:

Bard (Google) must be Canadian, with no mention of Maccelli. The response was Beniers, Power, McTavish, K. Johnson, and Quinn. Bard also said, "it's still early in the season," which, of course, it's not.

Needless to say, I'm not that impressed with AI.
 

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If you owned a sports network in Canada now would you give your customers the content they want? How much Coyote coverage do you think that is? Again no idea why you guys would expect more? I could see you expecting it from the NHL Network but not a private Canadian network.

I will guarantee you that if the Coyotes draft Bedard or are a Cup Contender they will get plenty of reporting in Canada.
Yeah but it will be like “it’s too bad Bedard is playing down in a 4600 arena… it will be interesting to see where he goes after his contract is up.

then if we do win the lottery .. the questions the poor kid will get from the media before draft day
 
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If you owned a sports network in Canada now would you give your customers the content they want? How much Coyote coverage do you think that is? Again no idea why you guys would expect more? I could see you expecting it from the NHL Network but not a private Canadian network.

I will guarantee you that if the Coyotes draft Bedard or are a Cup Contender they will get plenty of reporting in Canada.
How much reporting did you get when Phoenix just recently sued Tempe to stop TED? How many on those podcasts brought up "relocation"? IF we would be lucky enough to draft Bedard the first thing out of Canada would be "don't report, pull a Lindros, he doesn't deserve to be there, move the team already." All negative.
 

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How much reporting did you get when Phoenix just recently sued Tempe to stop TED? How many on those podcasts brought up "relocation"? IF we would be lucky enough to draft Bedard the first thing out of Canada would be "don't report, pull a Lindros, he doesn't deserve to be there, move the team already." All negative.
Well Jakey I have yet to see it mentioned on the channels I watch so I guess the answer is zero. But again that is a huge League story while Keller and Maccelli really are not. You guys are soft as baby shit and thats a you problem.
 

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I will guarantee you that if the Coyotes draft Bedard or are a Cup Contender they will get plenty of reporting in Canada.

I am old enough to have lived through the 2011-2012 season and the "reporting" was consistently about when the Coyotes would fall on their asses/faces/assfaces, and about how big of a fluke it all was, and after the Kings beat us in the WCF the sentiment was, "It was only a matter of time, it was never sustainable."

You guys are soft as baby shit and thats a you problem.

Appreciate the feedback, Canknucklehead.
 
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I am old enough to have lived through the 2011-2012 season and the "reporting" was consistently about when the Coyotes would fall on their asses/faces/assfaces, and about how big of a fluke it all was, and after the Kings beat us in the WCF the sentiment was, "It was only a matter of time, it was never sustainable."



Appreciate the feedback, Canknucklehead.
You should see what they say about the Leafs, is that because they are Arizona? Its just reality, nothing more and nothing less. You don't want them to report about dysfunction, don't be dysfunctional. You want them to report about your greatness, be great. But don't expect the media to stop because you say its over.

Why do you folks all watch so much Canadian media anyway??
 
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Well Jakey I have yet to see it mentioned on the channels I watch so I guess the answer is zero. But again that is a huge League story while Keller and Maccelli really are not. You guys are soft as baby shit and thats a you problem.
We’re not soft. We’re prickly and the slightest dig gets our attention. I, for one, continue to carry a grudge against Winnipeg for their organized attacks to sour Arizona against the team during the Make it Seven campaign.
 

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Well Jakey I have yet to see it mentioned on the channels I watch so I guess the answer is zero. But again that is a huge League story while Keller and Maccelli really are not. You guys are soft as baby shit and thats a you problem.
I doubt very much any mention of Coyote's would be on Pornhub. Soft as baby shit? That's funny. Can't wait for the negative reaction from Canada when TED is passed.
 

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How much reporting did you get when Phoenix just recently sued Tempe to stop TED? How many on those podcasts brought up "relocation"? IF we would be lucky enough to draft Bedard the first thing out of Canada would be "don't report, pull a Lindros, he doesn't deserve to be there, move the team already." All negative.
He plays in Regina. Tempe big step up.
 

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You should see what they say about the Leafs, is that because they are Arizona? Its just reality, nothing more and nothing less. You don't want them to report about dysfunction, don't be dysfunctional. You want them to report about your greatness, be great. But don't expect the media to stop because you say its over.

It's a matter of narrative. In journalism, you're supposed to find the story, not create a story and find facts, hearsay, and innuendo to support it. First thing you learn in j-school. But sports media types rarely go to j-school - much less the pundit class that serves as de-facto "media" in sports like pro hockey, football, etc.

I've been a working member of the media for nearly 30 years, so while I appreciate people's opinions on what the media is, should be, and isn't, I'm closer to the reality of it than the opinionated. When people like you say that "it's just the story, not the storyteller" as you did above, it betrays at best a naivete, and at worst a complete ostriching, about the nature of this industry. I've seen what is said about the Leafs, and it's just as much a matter of personal narratives searching for buttressing as the issue with the Coyotes.

Reality is too boring and not monetizable enough to be enough for sports media. You don't get clicks and a healthy bottom line by being equitable to the Coyotes. You don't thrive in hockey's largest market by being objective about the home team. The ethics I learned in training and in practice have collectively been eroded by finance and the search for power and influence over time, but nowhere has it been more apparent than in sports media.
 
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