2019/20 Roster Thread XXXIII

[Appleyard]

The same ones responsible for Hagg and Ginning?

I wouldn’t trust them with a piece of toast.

Hagg was a fine pick at the time. Had fell in the draft, lit up Swedish juniors and been NTs best Dman, and established himself in the SHL at 17. Just really has not developed since. And still is easily in the top 50% of players taken in the mid-2nd round over last 10 years.

Ginning, yeh, he is the one pick out of Sweden since 2013 that I was really not on board with. I wanted Hallander if picking out of Sweden with that pick. But every other pick has certainly been good value where they got them.

 

[Striiker]

And I wouldn’t trust that toast either.

 

[Striiker]

Hagg was a fine pick at the time. Had fell in the draft, lit up Swedish juniors and been NTs best Dman, and established himself in the SHL at 17. Just really has not developed since.

Ginning, yeh, he is the one pick out of Sweden since 2013 that I was really not on board with. But every other pick has certainly been good value where they got them.

Nope, they will not be forgiven for this plague.

Send them to the gulag. Send Hagg too.

 

[pit]

And I wouldn’t trust that toast either.

 

[Striiker]

This toast is ok. The last one was trouble.

 

[pit]

This toast is ok. The last one was trouble.

That butter would agree with you.

 

[Rebels57]

The same ones responsible for Hagg and Ginning?

I wouldn’t trust them with a piece of toast.

As @Appleyard mentioned, the Hagg pick was actually decent at the time but his development went WAY off course when he came to North America.

Ginning pick was absolutely dookie.

But Lindblom makes up for every bad thing. He is our wonderful golden child. After he destroys cancer he will return and have a glorious career as a Flyer.

Ersson, Lycksell, Hogberg, Bernhardt, and Sandstrom were all good picks relative to where they were selected too.

 

[Striiker]

As @Appleyard mentioned, the Hagg pick was actually decent at the time but his development went WAY off course when he came to North America.

Ginning pick was absolutely dookie.

But Lindblom makes up for every bad thing. He is our wonderful golden child. After he destroys cancer he will return and have a glorious career as a Flyer.

Ersson, Lycksell, Hogberg, Bernhardt, and Sandstrom were all good picks relative to where they were selected too.

(I know, I was kidding around )

 

[rinaldo]

Hagg was a fine pick at the time. Had fell in the draft, lit up Swedish juniors and been NTs best Dman, and established himself in the SHL at 17. Just really has not developed since. And still is easily in the top 50% of players taken in the mid-2nd round over last 10 years.

Ginning, yeh, he is the one pick out of Sweden since 2013 that I was really not on board with. I wanted Hallander if picking out of Sweden with that pick. But every other pick has certainly been good value where they got them.

if you were able to look and rank all nhl tams #6 dman, where would you have Hagg? be curious of your thoughts.

 

[Appleyard]

if you were able to look and rank all nhl tams #6 dman, where would you have Hagg? be curious of your thoughts.

I actually did this exercise a few months back when I was bored. I guess around the ~23-25 range if I remember correctly.

He has a few redeeming qualities. He is actually decent around his own net and on the boards. He gets a decent rate of shots and is surprisingly good at getting pucks through. He is actually weirdly decent at entering the OZ once he gets to the neutral zone.

His biggest issues are simply zone defence and zone exits. If he was "okay" at both he would be a good bottom pairing Dman in my eyes. But he is too passive and he does not play the puck clean out of the zone almost ever.

 

[TCTC]

I actually did this exercise a few months back when I was bored. I guess around the ~23-25 range if I remember correctly.

He has a few redeeming qualities. He is actually decent around his own net and on the boards. He gets a decent rate of shots and is surprisingly good at getting pucks through. He is actually weirdly decent at entering the OZ once he gets to the neutral zone.

His biggest issues are simply zone defence and zone exits. If he was "okay" at both he would be a good bottom pairing Dman in my eyes. But he is too passive and he does not play the puck clean out of the zone almost ever.

So you're saying Hagg isn't the worst player in the history of hockey?

It's always nice to read your level-headed, unbiased opinions. It's become a breath of fresh air on this board.

 

[deadhead]

I actually did this exercise a few months back when I was bored. I guess around the ~23-25 range if I remember correctly.

He has a few redeeming qualities. He is actually decent around his own net and on the boards. He gets a decent rate of shots and is surprisingly good at getting pucks through. He is actually weirdly decent at entering the OZ once he gets to the neutral zone.

His biggest issues are simply zone defence and zone exits. If he was "okay" at both he would be a good bottom pairing Dman in my eyes. But he is too passive and he does not play the puck clean out of the zone almost ever.

You'd probably have to move him up a few notches simply because he's so durable.
That has value at the bottom of the roster as we've seen in the past (do you really want to go deep into the LHV defenseman roster?).

 

[Beef Invictus]

So you're saying Hagg isn't the worst player in the history of hockey?

It's always nice to read your level-headed, unbiased opinions. It's become a breath of fresh air on this board.

Nobody makes that claim. We have seen several forwards recently who are worse.


And then there's the Riley Cote issue.

 

[Flyer lurker]

After that Hurts draft pick I am now 100% convinced Fletcher is best gm in Philly. Just WOW

 

[wankstifier]

Nobody makes that claim. We have seen several forwards recently who are worse.


And then there's the Riley Cote issue.

They never tried VandeVelde on defense. Don't ass make me of you.

 

[Striiker]

Nobody makes that claim. We have seen several forwards recently who are worse.


And then there's the Riley Cote issue.

He is, however, easily and indisputably the worst D on this team and one of the worst D in the entire league.

And yet some still love him on here... non-coincidentally they’re the same people who hate one of our best D...

 

[Larry44]

You'd probably have to move him up a few notches simply because he's so durable.
That has value at the bottom of the roster as we've seen in the past (do you really want to go deep into the LHV defenseman roster?).

When the opposition is throwing big fast guys like Malkin, Ovechkin, Matthews at you, you will need some big, strong mobile D to stop them, esp in the bottom pair on the road. People here hate Hagg but he does his job, helps the team and is cheap and reliable in a cap world. He’s not hurt all the time, he does his share of hitting, he makes the odd spectacular rush. What’s not to like for a 6th D?

 

[BritainStix]

He can't pass, handles the puck like a grenade and generally spends most of the game in his own zone.

He's not a good NHL defenseman.

He has some qualities but shouldn't really be playing minutes on a contender. It's where Ghost should be, but he's shit the bed the last two seasons

 

[rinaldo]

I actually did this exercise a few months back when I was bored. I guess around the ~23-25 range if I remember correctly.

He has a few redeeming qualities. He is actually decent around his own net and on the boards. He gets a decent rate of shots and is surprisingly good at getting pucks through. He is actually weirdly decent at entering the OZ once he gets to the neutral zone.

His biggest issues are simply zone defence and zone exits. If he was "okay" at both he would be a good bottom pairing Dman in my eyes. But he is too passive and he does not play the puck clean out of the zone almost ever.

without looking in any way, shocked you have him that low as wouldnt think 23 tams have a better 6th dman. I am by no means a fan though as your 6th dman he is ok to me.

 

[rinaldo]

He is, however, easily and indisputably the worst D on this team and one of the worst D in the entire league.

And yet some still love him on here... non-coincidentally they’re the same people who hate one of our best D...

what one of the best d do people hate?

 

[Rebels57]

When the opposition is throwing big fast guys like Malkin, Ovechkin, Matthews at you, you will need some big, strong mobile D to stop them, esp in the bottom pair on the road. People here hate Hagg but he does his job, helps the team and is cheap and reliable in a cap world. He’s not hurt all the time, he does his share of hitting, he makes the odd spectacular rush. What’s not to like for a 6th D?

The defensemen you just described is not Hagg.

It's Braun.

 

[Striiker]

When the opposition is throwing big fast guys like Malkin, Ovechkin, Matthews at you, you will need some big, strong mobile D to stop them, esp in the bottom pair on the road. People here hate Hagg but he does his job, helps the team and is cheap and reliable in a cap world. He’s not hurt all the time, he does his share of hitting, he makes the odd spectacular rush. What’s not to like for a 6th D?

You sure you know who Hagg is?

He can't play against the guys you listed because he's not skilled, smart, or quick enough to keep up. In fact, he gets absolutely dominated by bottom 6 players. The mentality that you fight skill and speed with slow and strong is dinosaur thinking that doesn't work in the NHL anymore.

He's also not a "stay-at-home" or "defensive" defensemen because he's way too aggressive and terrible defensively.

He actually doesn't do his job because his job is to help this team win games. He does the opposite of that. People here hate Hagg because we want the Flyers to win... he makes that harder and doesn't positively impact the team in any tangible way. He's literally one of the worst defensemen in the entire league, which is backed up by both the eye test and statistics. He'd be even worse off if he didn't have a top pair D carrying his ass so hard for most of the past two years.

 

[Deadpool8812]

The name "Hagg" and the word "mobile" do not go hand-and-hand together

 

[FLYguy3911]

 

[BritainStix]

Poor example really. The ranger had a head start and was facing the right way...