2019-20 Roster Thread XIV: It's all about the sonnet

[Tripod]

If training camp never mattered:

Jody Shelley never makes the Halifax Mooseheads as he was a tryout walk on
3 years playing for Mooseheads as a fan favorite
Named Team Captain in year 3
toiled in Canadian University hockey for a year
1 year in AHL
2 years split between ECHL and AHL
1 full AHL year
11 year NHL career
CBJ Broadcaster
CBJ Team Ambassador
Hosts the Jody Shelley Golf Fore Health tourney every year: $480,000 donated to Yarmouth hospital
July 13, 2013 eclared Jody Shelley Day in Yarmouth
Had a street named after him: Jody Shelley Drive....Which I drove on this weekend!
Mariners Centre, renumbered as 45 Jody Shelley Drive, after his jersey number
His number was retired by the Mooseheads.....a great ceremony I saw live as my little girl wanted to go see him
Named #1 Moosehead of all time
Gave us the below classic video.....all due to a tryout and when training camp never mattered.



I just wanted a reason to post about Shelley after seeing his street this weekend and the training camp angle was a perfect reason!

 

[BrindamoursNose]

I’m well aware that GMs are stupid enough to think that this tiny sample size, with mixed squads, rusty players, and half-assing NHLers is somehow a valuable evaluation period.

So you're saying training camp doesn't matter

 

[Curufinwe]

Rumor is the Flyers are canceling camp. The team will play together for the first time in Prague on October 4th.

 

[Striiker]

So you're saying training camp doesn't matter

Wrong.

S H O U L D N T
M A T T E R

It does matter to them because they’re dumb. But it shouldn’t.

I really don’t know how much more clear I can be about this...

 

[BrindamoursNose]

Wrong.

S H O U L D N T
M A T T E R

It does matter to them because they’re dumb. But it shouldn’t.

I really don’t know how much more clear I can be about this...

You're saying training camp objectively doesn't matter, but to GMs it subjectively matters -- right?

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Nice Farabee quote: “But playing really fast, I tend to get pretty mad out there, so I play pretty physical even though I’m not the biggest guy.”

 

[Striiker]

You're saying training camp objectively doesn't matter, but to GMs it subjectively matters -- right?

I mean exactly what I typed in the post you just quoted.

You trying to rephrase what I said makes no sense. Just read what I posted and you’ll get the answer...

 

[BrindamoursNose]

I mean exactly what I typed in the post you just quoted.

You trying to rephrase what I said makes no sense. Just read what I posted and you’ll get the answer...

I'm just trying to clarify your stance. I'm fine with you being a flat-earther if you wanna be.

 

[Striiker]

I'm just trying to clarify your stance. I'm fine with you being a flat-earther if you wanna be.

The stance couldn’t possibly be more clear.

If you still don’t understand then you’re actively trying not to.

 

[deadhead]

We understand, we just don't take it seriously.

 

[TheKingPin]

After breakout rookie campaign, Carter Hart faces high...

We aren’t talking about goalies much as there isn’t much to talk about given that roster is set and there is an idea of what the split will be. But if history matters, then Hart should have a lesser year than last. I can’t see him below .900 like all of our other goalies last year seemed to be. If he gets to about .910 for next year I’d be happy. And then start to really be consistent and high end like he was in junior.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

I expect Hart to have some struggles. He had a few really bad games last season. And he also struggled initially in the AHL. He’s not a god. I’d take a .910.

 

[Adtar02]

Let be clear.

I never said that training camp DOESN’T matter.

I said that training camp SHOULDN’T matter.

I’m well aware that GMs are stupid enough to think that this tiny sample size, with mixed squads, rusty players, and half-assing NHLers is somehow a valuable evaluation period.

I think it’s important to note that what the gm appeared to be talking about was handling bigger players in training camp. As the players discussed, he said already had the skills to play but not sure if they can handle the nhl game psychically

 

[deadhead]

I'm not that worried about Hart, he is unusually mentally balanced for a goalie.

He has only struggled twice in his career, in 2012-13 when he was 14, and last year in the AHL, before he adjusted after a month.
CHL: .915 S%, .918, .927, .947, CHL PO: .929, .929, .908, .921
WJC-20, .906, .930
AHL .902/NHL .917

 

[Ghosts Beer]

I think it’s important to note that what the gm appeared to be talking about was handling bigger players in training camp. As the players discussed, he said already had the skills to play but not sure if they can handle the nhl game psychically

I don’t think Farabee is going to have much of a problem. He’s wiry strong.

 

[Adtar02]

I don’t think Farabee is going to have much of a problem. He’s wiry strong.

I think they are hoping to slide his contract

 

[deadhead]

I think it’s important to note that what the gm appeared to be talking about was handling bigger players in training camp. As the players discussed, he said already had the skills to play but not sure if they can handle the nhl game psychically

It's one thing to make skilled plays in open ice against physically undeveloped young players, most of whom have weak defensive fundamentals, quite another to do so against men who have played for a decade and can anticipate plays developing.

While you can see some of this in the NCAAs, unless a prospect has played in the AHL/SHL/KHL, you don't have film of them against NHL style competition - even the WJC-20 is against highly skilled but physically undeveloped and defensively flawed (for the most part) players.

 

[TheKingPin]

I expect Hart to have some struggles. He had a few really bad games last season. And he also struggled initially in the AHL. He’s not a god. I’d take a .910.

Even those games were due to an injury he didn’t disclose. Hopefully he’s better than expected.

 

[Tripod]

Hart's last 14 games:

4 games above .905 SV%
10 games .905 SV% or below
10 games giving up 3 or more goals

Having a good coach and system should help along with a better defense and better forwards.

Every goalie has ups and downs. We just need to see more consistency starting from the net outward to include our whole team and coaches.

 

[bobbythebrain]

Let be clear.

I never said that training camp DOESN’T matter.

I said that training camp SHOULDN’T matter.

I’m well aware that GMs are stupid enough to think that this tiny sample size, with mixed squads, rusty players, and half-assing NHLers is somehow a valuable evaluation period.

Looks like somebody doesn't know what goes on at NHL camps

 

[Striiker]

Looks like somebody doesn't know what goes on at NHL camps

OK, explain.

 

[Rebels57]

After breakout rookie campaign, Carter Hart faces high...

We aren’t talking about goalies much as there isn’t much to talk about given that roster is set and there is an idea of what the split will be. But if history matters, then Hart should have a lesser year than last. I can’t see him below .900 like all of our other goalies last year seemed to be. If he gets to about .910 for next year I’d be happy. And then start to really be consistent and high end like he was in junior.

I think he ends up in the .915 range. He's not like normal sophomores. Mentally he's ahead of guys that are many years older than him.

 

[Rebels57]

Hart's last 14 games:

4 games above .905 SV%
10 games .905 SV% or below
10 games giving up 3 or more goals

Having a good coach and system should help along with a better defense and better forwards.

Every goalie has ups and downs. We just need to see more consistency starting from the net outward to include our whole team and coaches.

The team pretty much stopped playing down the stretch when the wind left their sails and a few of those games were complete no-shows by the Defense. So I do think that's a bit misleading.

 

[deadhead]

He was also dinged up for a stretch.

 

[bobbythebrain]

OK, explain.

Fitness testing. Coaches get to see who's in what shape. They also have info from previous years. A guy like Chara for instance takes pride in his pull ups every year, setting a tone and a message to the rest of the team how hard and dedicated you have to be to come prepared. It's actually become an iconic ritual in Bos

Rookies. Coaches get an idea who will make it or not

Vets. Compare them to last year
New players. Look for chemistry
PP and PK. They set up their strategies for the year
New coaches. Talk about game plan
Nutrition. Plans, new and old

The coaching staff walks away w/ a ton of valuable info off these 2 or 3 days that they use and strategize over

The younger players and/or newer players get to learn and see NHL competition. Often fights happen at these camps cuz the competition is high

Good NHL vets use this time to show how hard you must compete in practice and drills, setting a tone