2019-20 Roster Thread IV

[deadhead]

Don’t see much mention of Friedman in future plans. Did he look that bad in his cup of coffee? I didn’t catch many games at season’s end...

Some, perhaps misguided, Leafs fans were fairly vocal about wanting him prior to this past season.

Friedman looked solid other than one play where he forgot his stick.
He's been marinated in LHV, but it's hard to judge players there the last couple years.

I think he's got a solid future as a 3rd pair guy, he's got enough speed, enough skill, a fireplug body (probably in the 5'11 195 range these days) that can work with good leverage. Nothing special, but no obvious weaknesses either, and he should improve with experience.

 

[deadhead]

The Flyers should’ve played more of their young players in the past 2 seasons. They’re in a tough position for a fair hockey trade right now: very little understanding of NHL floors/ceilings of their talented U25 players and a stated desperation for “veteran” support.

They did play them, then they dumped the ones who weren't good enough, Leier, Cousins, Weal, . . .

Friedman got caught in a numbers game, if they were trying to work in Sanheim, Hagg and Morin, well, he had to wait his turn.
By the end of the season Gudas (28) and Ghost (25) were the oldest defensmen. Provorov, Sanheim, Myers, Hagg, Morin.

NAK, for some reason they soured on him and played Bailey (23) ahead of him.
The rest weren't ready (Voroybev) or injured (Rubtsov, Kase, Laberge).

 

[Larry44]

One thing to think about regarding Karlsson: his impact on the young D. Imagine having Sanhiem, Myers, and Ghost being little Karlssons. Jagr helped Voracek a good bit. From that perspective, EK is even more attractive than Trouba.

Agreed he is attractive but it’s unrealistic to plan next season around an extreme long shot.

 

[wankstifier]

They did play them, then they dumped the ones who weren't good enough, Leier, Cousins, Weal, . . .

Friedman got caught in a numbers game, if they were trying to work in Sanheim, Hagg and Morin, well, he had to wait his turn.
By the end of the season Gudas (28) and Ghost (25) were the oldest defensmen. Provorov, Sanheim, Myers, Hagg, Morin.

NAK, for some reason they soured on him and played Bailey (23) ahead of him.
The rest weren't ready (Voroybev) or injured (Rubtsov, Kase, Laberge).

Some teams are in the playoffs because of their aggressiveness and commitment in rostering young players.

Worth asking where the Flyers would be if they challenged more of their U23 guys starting in 2017-2018 with secure NHL roles. Now the front office is grasping for proven talent when trade value for much of their younger depth probably isn’t great. Just more bad management carryover from the Hextall stint

 

[renberg]

I'm not on the EK bandwagon. The money and term that it would take to get him to come here would do to the Flyers' cap situation what signing Tavares did to the Leafs. As tripod has indicated, take care of your own RFAs first and then see where it goes from there. If things go as they should, Provorov, Sanheim, and Myers are not going to be cheap in three years. Add in a re-upped TK, NP, Couturier, the cash is going to be short.
Additionally with EK, there are the health issues. That ankle isn't going to ever get any better. Now he has a serious groin muscle problem that, according to some sources, needs surgery. An organization may well be paying forward for what he has done in the past. That's not a good thing. No doubt that he's a player but now he has a rough past.

 

[deadhead]

Problem was they've already promoted everyone from before 2014.
Starting with the 2010-2013 drafts:
Only Couts, Ghost, Hagg, Laughton and Morin are left from that group.
McGinn (traded for a 3rd), Cousins (5th), Stolarz, Leier are gone.
2014: Sanheim (#17), Lindblom (#138) are starters, NAK (#48), Friedman (#86) on the bubble next year
2015: Provorov (#7), TK (#24), Myers [Sandstrom #70, Vorobyev #104, Kase #128, Fedotov #188]
missed on McCall and Tomek, Marody (3rd)
2016: Hart (#48) [Rubtsov (#22), Laberge (#36), Allison (#52), Twarynski (#88), Bunnaman (#109), Hogberg (#139), Laczynski (#169), Bernhardt (#199)]
2017: Patrick (#2) [Frost #27, Ratcliffe (#35), Ustimenko (#80), Cates (#137), Kalynuk (#196)]
2018: [Farabee (#14), O'Brien (#19), Ginning (#50), St Ivany (#112), Wylie (#127), Ersson (#143), Zamula]

Outside of NAK and Friedman, there is no one who was NHL ready last year, Vorobyev was given a shot and showed he needed more seasoning. Next year will probably be up or out for both of them, and LHV will be loaded with the 2015-2017 draft classes.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

Some teams are in the playoffs because of their aggressiveness and commitment in rostering young players.

Worth asking where the Flyers would be if they challenged more of their U23 guys starting in 2017-2018 with secure NHL roles. Now the front office is grasping for proven talent when trade value for much of their younger depth probably isn’t great. Just more bad management carryover from the Hextall stint

There's no argument against this, and he is talking circles out of his ass to excuse near total negligence on the part of management. God knows why he is doing it, but he is.

 

[Tripod]

Problem was they've already promoted everyone from before 2014.
Starting with the 2010-2013 drafts:
Only Couts, Ghost, Hagg, Laughton and Morin are left from that group.
McGinn (traded for a 3rd), Cousins (5th), Stolarz, Leier are gone.
2014: Sanheim (#17), Lindblom (#138) are starters, NAK (#48), Friedman (#86) on the bubble next year
2015: Provorov (#7), TK (#24), Myers [Sandstrom #70, Vorobyev #104, Kase #128, Fedotov #188]
missed on McCall and Tomek, Marody (3rd)
2016: Hart (#48) [Rubtsov (#22), Laberge (#36), Allison (#52), Twarynski (#88), Bunnaman (#109), Hogberg (#139), Laczynski (#169), Bernhardt (#199)]
2017: Patrick (#2) [Frost #27, Ratcliffe (#35), Ustimenko (#80), Cates (#137), Kalynuk (#196)]
2018: [Farabee (#14), O'Brien (#19), Ginning (#50), St Ivany (#112), Wylie (#127), Ersson (#143), Zamula]

Outside of NAK and Friedman, there is no one who was NHL ready last year, Vorobyev was given a shot and showed he needed more seasoning. Next year will probably be up or out for both of them, and LHV will be loaded with the 2015-2017 draft classes.

Friedman still does not have to clear waivers next year so having him as a call-up when injuries occur is fine. Then the following year, Gudas moves on and Friedman is up. Seems to make the most sense. No need to move him.

 

[deadhead]

But I thought we'd have Schlemko and MacDonald for that role?

 

[Tripod]

But I thought we'd have Schlemko and MacDonald for that role?

They come up when we want someone to sit. Frieds can come up when we want someone to play.

 

[Stizzle]

 

[renberg]

Talk may be cheap but he seems to recognize the youth that the club has and is ready to work with it. No talk of needing to bring in a slew of veterans to fill out the roster.

 

[TheKingPin]

I'm not on the EK bandwagon. The money and term that it would take to get him to come here would do to the Flyers' cap situation what signing Tavares did to the Leafs. As tripod has indicated, take care of your own RFAs first and then see where it goes from there. If things go as they should, Provorov, Sanheim, and Myers are not going to be cheap in three years. Add in a re-upped TK, NP, Couturier, the cash is going to be short.
Additionally with EK, there are the health issues. That ankle isn't going to ever get any better. Now he has a serious groin muscle problem that, according to some sources, needs surgery. An organization may well be paying forward for what he has done in the past. That's not a good thing. No doubt that he's a player but now he has a rough past.

Well we can sign Provy to a good deal for 8 years now. I’m not sure if we are able to rein Sanheim yet but we could get him on a good deal as well. Plus unless something goes crazy, EK would be our best dman, maybe even best player if his injuries aren’t a big deal going forward. That’s opposed to Matthews and marner who are much more prominent players than Provy and Sanheim. If EK passes the physical and he looks like he makes a full recovery, you easily sign him as one of the best players in the league.

 

[wasup]

Well we can sign Provy to a good deal for 8 years now. I’m not sure if we are able to rein Sanheim yet but we could get him on a good deal as well. Plus unless something goes crazy, EK would be our best dman, maybe even best player if his injuries aren’t a big deal going forward. That’s opposed to Matthews and marner who are much more prominent players than Provy and Sanheim. If EK passes the physical and he looks like he makes a full recovery, you easily sign him as one of the best players in the league.

Not for 8 years and that's what he is going to want .

 

[renberg]

Not for 8 years and that's what he is going to want .

Eight years for EK is a Snider era contract. Players that have serious injuries end up having more serious injuries as they compensate for the original problem. Unfortunately for some, the injuries become chronic. CIP- Peter Forsberg. EK has been one of the best players in the game but I'd be hard pressed to go $11MX8 for him which he's going to get from someone.

 

[wankstifier]

Talk may be cheap but he seems to recognize the youth that the club has and is ready to work with it. No talk of needing to bring in a slew of veterans to fill out the roster.

Direct contrast to what he mentioned with Fetch at the presser. They want 2-3 guys with NHL experience.

Did you also catch his praise of the remaining coaching staff? Most of them are going to be cut

 

[renberg]

Direct contrast to what he mentioned with Fetch at the presser. They want 2-3 guys with NHL experience.

Did you also catch his praise of the remaining coaching staff? Most of them are going to be cut

I'm sure that they're going to look into obtaining a veteran D and 2C. Maybe someone else to be on the checking line.
As for the asst. coaches, they're probably all gone. Gordon might be offered the LV job. If he turns that down, good bye. Wilson took on the defense as a favor to Fletcher. At his age, he probably will want to retire. I'm sure that AV knows who he wants on his staff and will get them.

 

[TheKingPin]

Fletcher seemed to stumble over himself with interest about the question of Patrick being a 2C. That seems like a big priority.

 

[renberg]

Well, that is a question. If NP could step up and take that spot, things change for the off season. I think that he can but that might be a leap of faith. Then who is the 3C? Ideally that would be Frost but that’s two question marks as to whether or not the young guys are ready or not. Better to get a vet with a couple of years left on a deal who could also play wing if he were to be shoved off of middle ice.

 

[TheKingPin]

Talk may be cheap but he seems to recognize the youth that the club has and is ready to work with it. No talk of needing to bring in a slew of veterans to fill out the roster.

I’m pretty sure he’d want vets still. Didn’t sound like Hart was going to run away with starts this year either which is good.

 

[Starat327]

Not for 8 years and that's what he is going to want .

Hope he enjoys San Jose then, cause that's the only place he can get that.

 

[Flyerfan13]

The hockey writers flyers trade targets Kadri And subban

https://thehockeywriters.com/philadelphia-flyers-offseason-trade-targets/

 

[Larry44]

The hockey writers flyers trade targets Kadri And subban

https://thehockeywriters.com/philadelphia-flyers-offseason-trade-targets/

I'd be on board to make our team more annoying to play against. Kadri and Konecny could drive other teams insane. PK too, would be a great partner for Provy. Alas, the price will be steep, likely too steep, if the are even available.

 

[CutOnDime97]

The hockey writers flyers trade targets Kadri And subban

https://thehockeywriters.com/philadelphia-flyers-offseason-trade-targets/

Don't really want either TBH.

 

[TheKingPin]

Better to sign one of those slots for free