Salary Cap: 2019-20 - Leafs Salary Cap issues and adjustments?

[I am Canadian]

Deal Brown
Let Gardiner & Hainsey walk

Pray that this is Marleau's last season, and their was a handshake agreement that the deal was for 2 years.

Brown -2.1M
Marleau - 6.25M
Hainsey - 3M
Gardiner - 4.05M

 

[zeke]

Not trying to equate anything.
You have a very odd perception of this, just calling you on it.

calling me on what?

 

[ACC1224]

calling me on what?

that Marleau is an ahole if he doesn't leave

 

[HoweHullOrr]

are you really trying to equatea team asking a guy if we can trade him after giving him $18m up front at age 38, to a player forcing a team to make itself worse and trade away a good longterm young player just so you can skate on the 4th line for one more year in your 40s?

Why would the onus be on Marleau to rectify a strategy or plan that was executed by the team he signed a contract with just because the plan the team made doesn't look good now? Maybe the team just has to suck it up and deal with the negative consequences & impact of a decision they made. That's kind of the way the world works i.e.. own your mistakes & live with the consequences.

 

[zeke]

that Marleau is an ahole if he doesn't leave

but he is an ahole if he forces the team to trade away a good young longterm piece just so he can skate one more year on the 4th line in his 40s. no two ways about that.

 

[Not My Tempo]

Yeah, but I’m sure he’d be willing to return to the Sharks. His wife is from there, and he is a legend there. Plus he can retire where he spent most of his career

Why would the Sharks want him back? They’re already in a bit of a pickle next year cap wise themselves. Why would they take a fourth liner at 3Mil?

 

[ACC1224]

but he is an ahole if he forces the team to trade away a good young longterm piece just so he can skate one more year on the 4th line in his 40s. no two ways about that.

 

[zeke]

Why would the onus be on Marleau to rectify a strategy or plan that was executed by the team he signed a contract with just because the plan the team made doesn't look good now? Maybe the team just has to suck it up and deal with the negative consequences & impact of a decision they made. That's kind of the way the world works i.e.. own your mistakes & live with the consequences.

has nothing to do with mistakes. nor rectifying.

the leafs got a good player that helped the team, and gave him a sweet sweet deal, all cash up front, to do it, structuring his contract to make it very tradeable in the final year.

there's no mistake made, and nothing in need of rectifying.

if Marleau would prefer that the team lose a good young longterm piece just because he wants to skate one more year on the 4th line in his 40s, that's his choice. I doubt his teammates would appreciate it much, though.

 

[zeke]

 

[HoweHullOrr]

has nothing to do with mistakes. nor rectifying.

the leafs got a good player that helped the team, and gave him a sweet sweet deal, all cash up front, to do it, structuring his contract to make it very tradeable in the final year.

there's no mistake made, and nothing in need of rectifying.

if Marleau would prefer that the team lose a good young longterm piece just because he wants to skate one more year on the 4th line in his 40s, that's his choice. I doubt his teammates would appreciate it much, though.

IF there was a risk that because of the players age that he might not be able to perform at a level commensurate with his salary in the final year or two, then YES its a mistake. No amount of spin does anything to refute this.

 

[CDN24]

has nothing to do with mistakes. nor rectifying.

the leafs got a good player that helped the team, and gave him a sweet sweet deal, all cash up front, to do it, structuring his contract to make it very tradeable in the final year.

there's no mistake made, and nothing in need of rectifying.

if Marleau would prefer that the team lose a good young longterm piece just because he wants to skate one more year on the 4th line in his 40s, that's his choice. I doubt his teammates would appreciate it much, though.

Thing is they did not make it very tradeable at all. They gave a NMC. If the intent was as you say to trade it away in the final year then why the NMC? The NMC is there because it was signed as a 3 year deal, that NMC was Marleau's protection to ensure he did not get dumped off to a bottom feeder in the final year.

If the team is looking to dump him before next year do you think Marleau cares if they lose a good long-term piece. Marleau cares strickly about the short-term. winning a cup before age pushes him out of the league.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

but he is an ahole if he forces the team to trade away a good young longterm piece just so he can skate one more year on the 4th line in his 40s. no two ways about that.

That is the responsibility of the team & management, not the player. Players play, management manages, make trades, offer contracts, & other management stuff.

 

[Mess]

Deal Brown
Let Gardiner & Hainsey walk

Pray that this is Marleau's last season, and their was a handshake agreement that the deal was for 2 years.

Brown -2.1M
Marleau - 6.25M
Hainsey - 3M
Gardiner - 4.05M

Total $15.4 mil

Even that wouldn't cover the raises of Matthews ( 975k to $11.634 mil) = $10.66 mil and Marner ($875k to $10 mil) = $9.125 mil [Total = $19.79 mil]

You would still need to deal Kadri ($4.5 mil) for futures in addition to above just to compensate for AM and MM new deals.

Total OUT : $19.9 mil

PS. That is including the unlikely scenario of Marleau happening.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

After reading this thread (and others on same topic), it seems like some are adding players (e.g. defenders). It seems like some adjustments, reductions and cutting of players is more likely.

Toronto Maple Leafs - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

If you examine CapFriendly for the 2019-2020 season, there are some things that are striking.

2019-2020 CapFriendly summary highlights:

1. We have committed $75 m to 18 players already.
2. Salaries for UFAs & RFA are not included in the $75m figure.
3. UFA (not included in #2 above) - Gardiner & Hainsey
4. RFA (not included in #2 above) - Marner, Kapanen, Ozhiganov, Johnsson
5. $8 m of cap space left over using the anticipated $83 m cap limit for 2019-2020
6. 3 to 5 players to sign with that $8m of cap space

Even if we assume that Marner would sign for $8 m AAV, that would mean we have zero (0) dollars left over to sign two (2) additional players to reach the minimum 21 player roster level.

So, looks like some pretty significant level of cutting is going to be necessary. I think we can assume that at least all of the UFAs won't be signed, one RFA will have to be cut, and another roster player or two will need to be cut (which ones depend on the magnitude of their salaries).

Total $15.4 mil

Even that wouldn't cover the raises of Matthews ( 975k to $11.634 mil) = $10.66 mil and Marner ($875k to $10 mil) = $9.125 mil [Total = $19.79 mil]

You would still need to deal Kadri ($4.5 mil) for futures in addition to above just to compensate for AM and MM new deals.

Total OUT : $19.9 mil

PS. That is including the unlikely scenario of Marleau happening.

Yep. The numbers are pretty clear - some cutting will be required - see post at top of this post.

 

[zeke]

That is the responsibility of the team & management, not the player. Players play, management manages, make trades, offer contracts, & other management stuff.

ok, let's try another angle.

why would Marleau want the team to trade away a good young longterm place just so he can skate one on more year on the 4th line in his 40s?

 

[Nithoniniel]

My theory was that Marleau had always intended to retire after this season. The third year allowed Leafs to throw money at him for a lower cap hit, and Marleau would be able to cash in on one last signing bonus before retiring. We would then be in a position to trade his cap hit to a team that need to hit the floor.

That doesn't really feel realistic anymore. For one, I've read way too much talk around Marleau that indicate that he might actually want to play for as long as he can find a spot in the league. And this just feels too convulated, especially given that Lou was the one who gave him this contract. Lou has quite the history for giving too much term to aging players.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

ok, let's try another angle.

why would Marleau want the team to trade away a good young longterm place just so he can skate one on more year on the 4th line in his 40s?

This isn't on Marleau. It isn't his job to do this. Your statement would be OK if you wondered why the team would do this. The team is the one with the responsibility in this case, not Marleau.

 

[Trapper]

ok, let's try another angle.

why would Marleau want the team to trade away a good young longterm place just so he can skate one on more year on the 4th line in his 40s?

That’s a hard if to answer.
Why would Marleau want to retire if he wants to play, feels he can play and likes to play in Toronto with his teammates.

Hard to say.
Right now we have a contract. It’s a 35 plus contract and we will honour it pending something else. At present, count that 6.25 against the Cap. Someone else will need to go. Or someones.

 

[IBeL34f]

Hyman (2.25) - Tavares (11) - Marner (10.5)
Johnsson (2.5*) - Matthews (11.634) - Nylander (6.97)
Marleau (6.25) - Kadri (4.5) - Kapanen (3*)
Moore (.775) - Gauthier (.675) - Bracco (.843)
Petan (.775)

Muzzin (4) - Rielly (5)
Dermott (.863) - Zaitsev (4.5)
Rosen (.75) - Liljegren (.863)
Borgman (.700) - Holl (.675)

Andersen (5) - Sparks (.75)

Kessel (1.2)

Total - $85.973

(*Johnsson and Kapanen's figures above are based on 1-year bridge deals)

Moving Brown, and any one of Zaitsev, Kadri, (Marleau - though I don't see it) or Kapanen, in the offseason should be just about sufficient for keeping the bulk of this group together into next season.

There will be some changes in LeafLand this summer, but it really shouldn't be anything too franchise-altering, and we're set up really well beyond the 2019/20 season.

 

[zeke]

This isn't on Marleau. It isn't his job to do this. Your statement would be OK if you wondered why the team would do this. The team is the one with the responsibility in this case, not Marleau.

He has a choice. Players waive NMC rights all the time. most of the time, in fact.

why would he want the team to trade away a young longterm piece just so he can skate one more year on the 4th line in his 40s?

would you?

 

[Frelimo]

but he is an ahole if he forces the team to trade away a good young longterm piece just so he can skate one more year on the 4th line in his 40s. no two ways about that.

He didn't force the Leafs to give him a 3 year contract

 

[Mess]

ok, let's try another angle.

why would Marleau want the team to trade away a good young longterm place just so he can skate one on more year on the 4th line in his 40s?

Marleau doesn't care what line Babock plays him on, his goal is the win the Stanley Cup, as that is the biggest reason he left SJ in the first place after 20 seasons there. If his goal was to let younger Leafs hoist the Cup he could have stayed in San Jose all along.

Doesn't matter if you play on the 1st line or the 4th line you still get to sip Champagne from the Stanley Cup, and get your name engraved on it, and a nice ring as a lasting memory should you be in the winning team.

Ok, lets try another angle.

Why didn't Nylander, Matthews and soon Marner take less money and offer home town discounts so the team could stay together longer? That was Shanny/Dubas whole "We before Me" campaign strategy going into the negoatiations.

Now that Dubas has overpaid the youth, its Marleau's job to gracefully step aside in your opinion?

 

[Ronnie Residue]

He has a choice. Players waive NMC rights all the time. most of the time, in fact.

why would he want the team to trade away a young longterm piece just so he can skate one more year on the 4th line in his 40s?

would you?

So you think he’d rather waive, go to a bottom feeder team, lose his last chance at a cup, and move his whole family for his final year, rather than stay?
Why in your mind does Marleau have to be the one who gets screwed over for a mistake that management made? He has every right to do what’s best for him.

 

[zeke]

He didn't force the Leafs to give him a 3 year contract

indeed. they gave him a very generous front-loaded contract at age 38 which would leave them with a very tradeable final year.

 

[zeke]

Marleau doesn't care what line Babock plays him on, his goal is the win the Stanley Cup, as that is the biggest reason he left SJ in the first place after 20 seasons there. If his goal was to let younger Leafs hoist the Cup he could have stayed in San Jose all along.

Ok, lets try another angle.

Why didn't Nylander, Matthews and soon Marner take less money and offer home town discounts so the team could stay together longer? That was Shanny/Dubas whole "We before Me" campaign strategy going into the negoatiations.

Now that Dubas has overpaid the youth, its Marleau's job to gracefully step aside in your opinion?

would you, in the final year of your great career, after a team gave you a massive 38yr old contract with most all cash up front, want to force your team to trade away a young longterm piece?

I wouldn't. And I doubt Patty does, either.