Speculation: 2018 Off-Season: We fell short again... now what do we do?

[Rschmitz]

That’s does not work with cooper your not allowed to ever play a lefty shot on the right side so sergachev has to play the left

Coburn played the right side for the first year and a half he was here

 

[Rschmitz]

If your going to let coburn walk at seasons end why not trade coburn for a asset now and let koekoekk play that role full time? That way we got more cap room at the deadline ? We really need to see what koekoekk can do full time.

If there is a good deal that is something I would be for. It's not something I would necessarily force though if we have 5M in cap space, we could afford basically anyone at the trade deadline.

 

[Todd1a]

If there is a good deal that is something I would be for. It's not something I would necessarily force though if we have 5M in cap space, we could afford basically anyone at the trade deadline.

I’m not a big fan of both girardi and coburn on the bottom pairing together at least koekoekk can skate better then both of them I’d say you move one of them being that coburn is a lefty I’d pick him to go. In 2019-2020 on defense we are going to have a big youth movement back there I’d like to get one of them in there full time now.

 

[Fabiobest]

Well at least they are not trading him for nothing now good deal

Yes...Also Yzerman said he wants to resign every RFA...

 

[TeslaCoilFan]

Coburn played the right side for the first year and a half he was here

Yeah, Coburn has always been Mr. Flexible with regards to which side defense he plays.

Also, Sergachev played the end of the season (after McD came at TDL) and the entire playoffs on the right side and looked great for such a young rookie. Yzerman himself said that Sergachev looked terrific on the right side so I don't think that's a big problem. I would not at all be surprised to see:

Hedman-Strålman
McDonagh-Sergachev
Koekkoek/Coburn-Girardi

If we don't trade Coby, maybe he could be the 7th D because his ability to play either R or L allows for him to fill in a variety of ways. I wonder if Dotchin will be traded because he's got Strålman, probably Sergachev and Girardi all in front of him on the right and Cernak and Foote coming up behind?

 

[CupsOverCash]

Coburn might be a decent trade deadline casualty. I could see us keeping him until then for insurance. If McDonagh gets hurt or Koekkoek isnt good enough to play more minutes/games.

 

[HoseEmDown]

It’s not horrible but yzerman has always been to scared to do a youth movement on our defense

To start the 2013-14 season we had Hedman, Gudas, Barberio and Sustr as 23 and under defenders. We made the playoffs that year. This group is better than all but Hedman and the vets we will have are better than Carle, Brewer or Salo.

 

[Todd1a]

To start the 2013-14 season we had Hedman, Gudas, Barberio and Sustr as 23 and under defenders. We made the playoffs that year. This group is better than all but Hedman and the vets we will have are better than Carle, Brewer or Salo.

That was the best season I ever saw bishop play he really stood on his head all that season until of course he got injured

 

[HoseEmDown]

That was the best season I ever saw bishop play he really stood on his head all that season until of course he got injured

What does that have to do with anything we're talking about?

 

[Todd1a]

What does that have to do with anything we're talking about?

Of course our defense is better then that trash group we had bishop carried them and was a 3rd d man carrying the puck . Our defense this year is better of course.

 

[Todd1a]

I’d love to see ceddy go to arbitration lol I scored 5 goals last season pay me !

 

[Todd1a]

To start the 2013-14 season we had Hedman, Gudas, Barberio and Sustr as 23 and under defenders. We made the playoffs that year. This group is better than all but Hedman and the vets we will have are better than Carle, Brewer or Salo.

And still a fact hose that yzerman has never drafted and devolped a top 4 defenseman since starting in Tampa bay in 2010. So we’ll see if any of foote, masin or koekoekk pan out ?

 

[Stammertime91]

Todd: we need defenders for next year
Todd next post: best season I've ever seen Bishop play


Also Todd: I had spaghetti !

 

[Rschmitz]

It's not like Yzerman has dumped many resources into drafting D either though.

 

[Volodya Krutov]

I'm surprised he hasn't mentioned Voynov yet.... So I'll say it, is there any GM in this league having the [im]moral standards to give the wife-beater a contract ?

 

[Stammertime91]

I'm surprised he hasn't mentioned Voynov yet.... So I'll say it, is there any GM in this league having the [im]moral standards to give the wife-beater a contract ?

Slava Voynov: Montreal's new #1 center

 

[CupsOverCash]

I'm surprised he hasn't mentioned Voynov yet.... So I'll say it, is there any GM in this league having the [im]moral standards to give the wife-beater a contract ?

Hes not coming here with all the Jameis Winston drama around town.

 

[TampaJay]

It’s not horrible but yzerman has always been to scared to do a youth movement on our defense

I don’t think he has been scared as much as he has had very few NHL caliber prospects to insert. I think Yzerman would have really liked to have young Dmen make the lineup, but in the Yzerman era, the drafting and development of Dmen has been poor, especially compared to forwards. They gave 6th rounder Dotchin a chance and he was never projected as more than a long shot 3rd pair guy; and let’s not forget 5th rounder Nesterov. There just haven’t been many options from the prospect pool until now. Foote, Masin, and Cernak are the only three I can think who have realistically projected as NHLers, besides Koekkoek and DeAngelo. You can never be sure until they get a look in the NHL, and with Coburn and Girardi leaving, that needs to happen this year.

 

[Todd1a]

I don’t think he has been scared as much as he has had very few NHL caliber prospects to insert. I think Yzerman would have really liked to have young Dmen make the lineup, but in the Yzerman era, the drafting and development of Dmen has been poor, especially compared to forwards. They gave 6th rounder Dotchin a chance and he was never projected as more than a long shot 3rd pair guy; and let’s not forget 5th rounder Nesterov. There just haven’t been many options from the prospect pool until now. Foote, Masin, and Cernak are the only three I can think who have realistically projected as NHLers, besides Koekkoek and DeAngelo. You can never be sure until they get a look in the NHL, and with Coburn and Girardi leaving, that needs to happen this year.

Yes agree 100 percent that’s what we need to see a youth movement this year if you know girardi and coburn are gone get some in there this year at least one. Other wise we will have three rookies out of 6 playing defense in the nhl full time. We all know it takes defenseman about 300 games to get used to the nhl well. We need to get one of foote or masin started. Really did coburn look great in the playoffs?

 

[Todd1a]

I’d Erik brewer coburn trade him off for a 3rd rounder let koekoekk take the job or masin

 

[Todd1a]

I'm surprised he hasn't mentioned Voynov yet.... So I'll say it, is there any GM in this league having the [im]moral standards to give the wife-beater a contract ?

Ya I’m not that bad to bring another problem kid to Tampa bay Winston is enough! I’m smart enough to know yzerman is not going to put up with that

 

[CupsOverCash]

Yes agree 100 percent that’s what we need to see a youth movement this year if you know girardi and coburn are gone get some in there this year at least one. Other wise we will have three rookies out of 6 playing defense in the nhl full time. We all know it takes defenseman about 300 games to get used to the nhl well. We need to get one of foote or masin started. Really did coburn look great in the playoffs?

Well with Sustr gone (fingers crossed) then Koekkoek should get more of an opportunity. I think if we get some injuries we should see Cernak, Masin, and Foote (if he looks good in Syracuse) get a look. Next year will be the interesting one with Stralman, Coburn, and Girardi all UFA. That is when the real youth movement on D happens. Even if we re-sign Stralman. I wonder what they do with Dotchin. Im hoping he plays the whole year down in Syracuse. He could use the playing time.

 

[Rschmitz]

Well with Sustr gone (fingers crossed) then Koekkoek should get more of an opportunity. I think if we get some injuries we should see Cernak, Masin, and Foote (if he looks good in Syracuse) get a look. Next year will be the interesting one with Stralman, Coburn, and Girardi all UFA. That is when the real youth movement on D happens. Even if we re-sign Stralman. I wonder what they do with Dotchin. Im hoping he plays the whole year down in Syracuse. He could use the playing time.

Dotchin would have to pass through waivers. I also think he's just about topped out as far as his potential, he's 24, and they would give those minutes to guys like Cernak or Foote in Syracuse if given the choice. He's a good option to have on nights they want to go 7 or give someone a rest though.

 

[DFC]

I'm surprised he hasn't mentioned Voynov yet.... So I'll say it, is there any GM in this league having the [im]moral standards to give the wife-beater a contract ?

I honestly don't think Yzerman would go near that guy without him being cleared.

 

[Stammertime91]

I’d Erik brewer coburn trade him off for a 3rd rounder let koekoekk take the job or masin

Coburn is not as bad as Brewer was. Putting KK in place of Coburn doesn't make us any better.