Prospect Info: 2018 Draft Thread (STL #1 via WPG is 29th OA)

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Another prospect that could be around at #45 is Jay O'Brien. Speedy right shot center heading to Providence. Level of competition that
he has played against is his knock. Would be a great option after Wise. Also, I think Ty Emberson could actually be in play around #76 as probably won't last till #107. Never really been a fan of selecting overagers.
 
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Just a slight nitpick but I wouldn’t count Walman as a miss quite yet.

Me neither. My point was simply that the worst case scenario where you include him as a miss still means that B Armstrong is batting .600 at turning 2nd/3rd round draft picks into legitimate contributors when he spends the pick on D. That's damn impressive. I still have a lot of confidence that Walman can be a very good bottom pairing D man on this team for a number of years. At that point you're talking about 4 D men being homegrown talent from outside the 1st round, including the entirety of your left side. That would be remarkable.
 

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Another prospect that could be around at #45 is Jay O'Brien. Speedy right shot center heading to Providence. Level of competition that
he has played against is his knock. Would be a great option after Wise. Also, I think Ty Emberson could actually be in play around #76 as probably won't last till #107. Never really been a fan of selecting overagers.
I really like O'Brien as well. Big fan of his work ethic and he's an absolute puck hound, he'll do anything to come out of the boards with the puck on his stick. He's been getting a lot of attention as of late and I'm not sure he'll be available at 45. He's someone I'd take at 29 if we still have the pick and he's on the board.
 
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If Dellandrea falls to us at 45, I would tap dance to Tulum.

Might not be a popular opinion, but I hope we take a look at Nico Gross in the mid rounds. Think he is better than his stats last season and has legit NHL potential (if only as a shutdown bottom pairing guy).

Scott Wheeler had an interesting article on draft sleepers last week:

Wheeler: Five 2018 NHL draft sleepers teams without first...

Some interesting names there including Beaudin, who I think has been mentioned here before. Nathan Dunkley was another name that stuck out to me. Given our recent success drafting players out of London, and the ever present need for centers, he could be a guy to watch come draft day.

Liam Kirk is another interesting name...very curious to see where he ends up going. FWIW, sounds like Detroit is interested...
Detroit Red Wings circle around Sheffield Steelers starlet

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If any of Kaut, bokk, Berggren or dellandrea are available at #29..... we better not trade that pick.... despite petro and parayko, i wouldn't hate taking Addison either. I also wouldn't mind Olofsson or A. Thomas as well

Especially if we can nab an O'brien or Wise at 45
 

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Jeremy Rutherford has the Blues picking Jake Wise with #29 in the Athletic mock draft.

I’d take it!
I saw that earlier. That was a cool concept with each team's writer making their team's selection and Pronman weighing in. Will be curious to see Pronman's mock when he releases it.
 

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That seems rather early for Wise, no?

It’s probably a little early, yeah, but it wouldn’t be a totally off-the-board pick there. Since Christmas, his average ranking from scouting services has been #44, and that has actually fallen down slightly from his Xmas average. But I think he’s got some hidden value that is buried on team USA, and we can certainly afford to let him develop in college for a bit. Especially if we can grab McBain or someone similar at 45, it will be worth “reaching” for Wise at 29.
 

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That seems rather early for Wise, no?
Pronman and Cam Robinson (Dobber) are the only two that I know of that have Wise in their top 31 prospects, so you can make a strong argument that it's early relative to the consensus.

That said, the late first through mid second (or thereabouts) seems to be pretty fluid in this draft. It wouldn't shock me if Wise snuck into the first.

I would be mildly surprised, however, if the Blues took him.
 
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I was doing a little research earlier and came up with a VERY rough sketch/early idea of what (IMO) a really good draft for the Blues might look like. The Blues currently own picks 29, 45, 76, 107, 138, 169, 200.

Round 1 (29) - Dellandrea
Round 2 (45) - Foudy/Dudas/McBain/O'Brien
Round 3 (76) - Beaudin/Regula/Sampo/Pekar
Round 4 (107) - Gross/Callahan/Hutsko/Saigeon/Iskahov/Dunkley
Round 5 (138) - Olof Lindbom/Akira Schmid/Alexis Gravel
Round 6 (169) - Nando Eggenberger/Joey Keane/Brendan Budy/Max Paddock
Round 7 (200) - Bulat Shafigullin/Daniel Dvorak/Marcus Karlberg

Again, this is not fully fleshed out, just some ideas/names to discuss. Some players are probably way too early or too late. Feedback is welcome!
 
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I was doing a little research earlier and came up with a VERY rough sketch/early idea of what (IMO) a really good draft for the Blues might look like. The Blues currently own picks 29, 45, 76, 107, 138, 169, 200.

Round 1 (29) - Dellandrea
Round 2 (45) - Foudy/Dudas/McBain/O'Brien
Round 3 (76) - Beaudin/Regula/Sampo/Pekar
Round 4 (107) - Gross/Callahan/Hutsko/Saigeon/Iskahov/Dunkley
Round 5 (138) - Olof Lindbom/Akira Schmid/Alexis Gravel
Round 6 (169) - Nando Eggenberger/Joey Keane/Brendan Budy/Max Paddock
Round 7 (200) - Bulat Shafigullin/Daniel Dvorak/Marcus Karlberg

Again, this is not fully fleshed out, just some ideas/names to discuss. Some players are probably way too early or too late. Feedback is welcome!

I’d love to hear your thoughts on Callahan. Some mock draft had us taking him super early too and I just don’t see it, in fact I would be kind of angry about it. He doesn’t score at all! It would be Trent Bourque all over again, and having one of those guys is more than enough imo. But clearly there’s something there for him to be getting the cred he’s getting, I suppose. What am I missing?
 

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I’d love to hear your thoughts on Callahan. Some mock draft had us taking him super early too and I just don’t see it, in fact I would be kind of angry about it. He doesn’t score at all! It would be Trent Bourque all over again, and having one of those guys is more than enough imo. But clearly there’s something there for him to be getting the cred he’s getting, I suppose. What am I missing?
Haha, I actually got the idea from the mock draft you're probably referring to 7th Annual NHL Mock Draft: 2018, Round 4

4th round might be a little high for him, given that a lot of rankings have him in the 5th-6th. I've also seen him ranked in the top 90, as well as not ranked at all. All in all, my impression of Callahan is that he has been a bit of a late riser after a very good (and extended) playoff run in the USHL. He's got good size and will hopefully fill out a bit in college. I like that he is going to a premier NCAA program like Providence where he will be well coached and face top competition.

His stat line is not particularly impressive...but it stuck out to me that on both USHL teams he played for this year, he had one of the highest +/- and scoring totals for dmen on the team. He made the USHL all-rookie team, and played well in the USHL/NHL top prospects game scoring 1 goal. He also ranked 3rd in backwards skating in on ice testing drills at the top prospects game, so the guy can definitely skate.

Here's a clip of the goal he scored...rocket from the point at 5v5:


FWIW the draft analyst has Callahan at 118, so I don't think he would be a HUGE stretch at 107.
The Draft Analyst | 2018 NHL Draft: Final 500 Rankings (May)

His elite prospects page:
Michael Callahan at eliteprospects.com

Thread on HF:
http://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/d-michael-callahan-youngstown-ushl-2018-draft.2469709/

EDIT: worth noting he made the USHL all rookie FIRST team.
USHL All-Rookie Teams Announced
 
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I've been on the Wise hype-train for so long. I would gladly use a first rounder on him if he were available.
 

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Just ordered my ticket to attend the draft this year, so hopefully the Blues do something exciting while I’m there.
I went in 07, it was great fun, Blues made a couple of trades moving back and forth, JD and Jarmo always kept it interesting. 4 Stanley Cup appearances from our 3 1st rounders that year (Cole 2, Perron, Eller).:clap::clap::clap:
 

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Another prospect that could be around at #45 is Jay O'Brien. Speedy right shot center heading to Providence. Level of competition that
he has played against is his knock. Would be a great option after Wise. Also, I think Ty Emberson could actually be in play around #76 as probably won't last till #107. Never really been a fan of selecting overagers.

I really like O'Brien as well. Big fan of his work ethic and he's an absolute puck hound, he'll do anything to come out of the boards with the puck on his stick. He's been getting a lot of attention as of late and I'm not sure he'll be available at 45. He's someone I'd take at 29 if we still have the pick and he's on the board.

The more I've seen of O'Brien, the more I like the kid. There are a couple shift-by-shift game clips of him floating around...definitely worth a watch if you have the time. His speed and tenacity it noticable, even against strong competition in the All American Prospects Game (#21 in the first clip). Wicked wristah too.





 

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One last one, because apparently you're only allowed to post 3 pieces of media per post...

 
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If Merkley is there at 29... do we take him? I think he could step in and be a PP specialist 3rd pair guy behind Parayko and Pietrangelo, learn on the job and be sheltered by those guys. He’s got his warts for sure but the kid can play, and he would easily be the best dman on the board at that point imo. I don’t necessarily want to gamble with his locker room / coachability issues, or go through what NYI is going through with Ho-Sang, but if he’s there... idk I would have to do some really hard thinking if I was Bill Armstrong. He plays for Guelph, so we’ve seen him play while watching Toropchenko. We love taking OHL players. We need defense. It would be interesting!
 

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I really like O’Brien too. I have a natural bias or assumption that prospects that take non-traditional paths get underplayed by the mock draft consensus, though not by NHL scouts themselves. This is because it’s tougher to project, and also simply because they aren’t seen as often or easily.

When these kids play down in class, and then hold up well in their rare showcases at higher level of competition, then that really grabs my attention. Then, the more I see of him, the more it looks like his strengths and style fit so well with what we need to bring in to the system.
 

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If Merkley is there at 29... do we take him? I think he could step in and be a PP specialist 3rd pair guy behind Parayko and Pietrangelo, learn on the job and be sheltered by those guys. He’s got his warts for sure but the kid can play, and he would easily be the best dman on the board at that point imo. I don’t necessarily want to gamble with his locker room / coachability issues, or go through what NYI is going through with Ho-Sang, but if he’s there... idk I would have to do some really hard thinking if I was Bill Armstrong. He plays for Guelph, so we’ve seen him play while watching Toropchenko. We love taking OHL players. We need defense. It would be interesting!
I believe the Blues were one of the 25 teams that interviewed him at the combine. A lot of their interest probably depends on what their take on his character is, and that interview is probably a pretty good chunk of that impression.

My gut says that the Blues would pass if he fell to them at 29. Even without the defensive deficiencies, he plays with a pretty notable lack of discipline on the ice. I don't think that quality will appeal to the Blues. A lot of his defensive problems can be rectified if he's truly serious about changing that aspect of his game, but if he naturally thrives in a free-wheeling atmosphere, the Blues just don't seem like the best organizational fit.
 
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I went with Berggren in the moderator mock, even though I'm far from convinced the Blues would make the same selection.

Dellandrea was off the table, and Kaut (someone I think the Blues would like a lot) went the pick before. Olofsson probably would have been the "safe" pick, but to me he just doesn't feel like he has quite the upside that some of the other available options have.
 
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I went with Berggren in the moderator mock, even though I'm far from convinced the Blues would make the same selection.

Dellandrea was off the table, and Kaut (someone I think the Blues would like a lot) went the pick before. Olofsson probably would have been the "safe" pick, but to me he just doesn't feel like he has quite the upside that some of the other available options have.

Berggren wouldn’t be a horrible pick, and I like his upside, but he feels more like a 2nd rounder to me. Just doesn’t have the floor that I want in a 1st, and while he has upside, it probably isn’t turning-into-the-Swedish-Danny-Briere upside.

What about the dmen? Were Samuelsson or Alexeyev around still? I feel like we would really like both of those guys. Alexeyev in particular is going to end up being a steal, I think.
 

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Berggren wouldn’t be a horrible pick, and I like his upside, but he feels more like a 2nd rounder to me. Just doesn’t have the floor that I want in a 1st, and while he has upside, it probably isn’t turning-into-the-Swedish-Danny-Briere upside.

What about the dmen? Were Samuelsson or Alexeyev around still? I feel like we would really like both of those guys. Alexeyev in particular is going to end up being a steal, I think.
I think Berggren does a lot of things that translate very well to the modern game, but (as with most smaller players) there are certainly questions about exactly how things will go as he transitions to higher leagues. I think there's a pretty good chance he goes in the first round, personally, even if I don't necessarily think the Blues would choose him themselves.

Both of those defenders were still on the board, as was Woo.

I generally shy away from those sorts of players in the first round. Every year there's one or more guys like Duncan Siemens...a big, mobile, physical shutdown defenseman with an "okay" offensive skill set (a decent shot and a "good" first pass) that gets everyone all excited about what a monster he could be if he developed offensively, while providing the comfort of a relatively high floor. Thing is, guys rarely take a massive leap forward offensively if they aren't flashing any plus skills in that area by the draft, and the upside of a 1 to 1.5 zone player really isn't that high, even if they're pretty good at what they actually do well.

Not all those players bust as hard as Siemens, of course, but I still don't think that sort of player is worth a 1st round investment when it's not overly difficult to find and develop capable bottom four defenders later in the draft, mostly because the most important two things they need to be able to do are defend and manage the puck adequately, and both those skills are fully capable of being mastered post-draft by anyone with the determination and baseline ability to do so. Even if you're incapable of drafting one, is it really that hard or expensive to fill that role via free agency? In that sense, their floor is something of an illusion as an "asset" because the role they are most likely to end up filling if they don't push past that floor simply doesn't present much value to an organization.

The toughest type of player to find outside the early rounds is a top 6 forward. In my opinion, the time to take your shot at those is with your early picks. A defenseman who is equally adept in all three zones is a high value player as well, but I'd still tend to lean towards the forward in a "tie" situation since those are generally easier to project moving forward.
 
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