Prospect Info: 2018-2019 Senators prospect watch part II

[Sensinitis]

Formenton should be much better overall. Especially offensively. May not reach the defensive iq level of Kelly.

Yeah Vermette would be a better comparison imo

 

[Cosmix]

Theres opportunity in the sens organization with Anderson about to leave and Nilsson not being a permanent fixture. He would be fighting with Gustavsson, Hogberg, and whatever other young guys in the system for a #1 or #2 spot.

I suspect Nilsson will sign a new contract to stay here. The younger goaltenders have much to prove and the probabilities of success are not high.

 

[starling]

Crookshank is 3rd in scoring among freshmen drafted in 2018 (Dugan was drafted in 2017).
JBD is 2nd among drafted freshmen defencemen.

Scoring Statistics (Individual)	GP	TGP	G	A	PTS	G/GP	A/GP	P/GP	PPG	PPA	PPP	SHG	GWG	HT	+	-	+/-	SOG	SOG/GP	G/SOG	FW	FL	FO %	BLK	PEN	PIM
1	Jack Dugan (VGK)	Providence	FR	F	24	24	8	17	25	0.33	0.71	1.04	1	8	9	0	3	0	20	18	+2	53	2.21	.151	60	45	.571	4	19	38
2	Emilio Pettersen (CGY)	Denver	FR	F	21	21	5	16	21	0.24	0.76	1.00	4	4	8	0	0	0	20	7	+13	38	1.81	.132	13	20	.394	12	6	12
3	Tyler Madden (VAN)	Northeastern	FR	F	18	21	8	12	20	0.44	0.67	1.11	3	5	8	1	2	0	19	12	+7	50	2.78	.160	127	156	.449	7	0	0
	Angus Crookshank (OTT)	New Hampshire	FR	F	23	23	8	12	20	0.35	0.52	0.87	1	4	5	0	2	0	19	15	+4	55	2.39	.145	10	11	.476	9	2	4
5	Jáchym Kondelík (NSH)	UConn	FR	F	21	22	3	16	19	0.14	0.76	0.90	0	8	8	0	1	0	13	15	-2	48	2.29	.062	154	176	.467	12	6	12
6	K'Andre Miller (NYR)	Wisconsin	FR	D	20	22	5	13	18	0.25	0.65	0.90	2	5	7	0	2	0	22	11	+11	49	2.45	.102	0	1	.000	24	6	12
	Joel Farabee (PHI)	Boston University	FR	F	21	21	6	12	18	0.29	0.57	0.86	2	8	10	1	1	0	13	15	-2	68	3.24	.088	19	36	.345	17	11	22
8	Cole Guttman (TBL)	Denver	FR	F	21	21	10	7	17	0.48	0.33	0.81	0	3	3	0	1	0	21	6	+15	51	2.43	.196	133	119	.528	9	5	10
9	Jack Drury (CAR)	Harvard	FR	F	16	17	6	10	16	0.38	0.62	1.00	4	7	11	0	1	0	14	7	+7	32	2.00	.188	193	138	.583	11	3	6
	Aarne Talvitie (NJD)	Penn State	FR	F	17	24	5	11	16	0.29	0.65	0.94	0	2	2	0	1	0	17	16	+1	43	2.53	.116	7	5	.583	10	1	2
	Brett Stapley (MTL)	Denver	FR	F	19	21	5	11	16	0.26	0.58	0.84	1	5	6	0	0	0	14	6	+8	36	1.89	.139	138	122	.531	9	8	27
12	Sammy Walker (TBL)	Minnesota	FR	F	23	23	6	9	15	0.26	0.39	0.65	0	3	3	0	0	0	17	15	+2	48	2.09	.125	63	109	.366	5	5	10
13	Jacob Bernard-Docker (OTT)	North Dakota	FR	D	23	23	4	10	14	0.17	0.43	0.61	1	8	9	0	1	0	12	16	-4	44	1.91	.091	0	0	---	27	2	4
14	Sam Hentges (MIN)	St. Cloud State	FR	F	20	22	5	7	12	0.25	0.35	0.60	1	2	3	0	1	1	14	4	+10	27	1.35	.185	32	41	.438	1	7	14

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[topshelf15]

Yeah Vermette would be a better comparison imo

Thinking more like Dzingle

 

[BondraTime]

Yeah Vermette would be a better comparison imo

Vermette put up 120 points in his 18 year old season, and then 62 points in the AHL as a 20 year old, after missing his entire 19 year old season. Formenton has 98 points over his total OHL career.

Not sure their game is comparable aside from the skating.

 

[Sensinitis]

Vermette put up 120 points in his 18 year old season, and then 62 points in the AHL as a 20 year old, after missing his entire 19 year old season. Formenton has 98 points over his total OHL career.

Not sure there game is comparable aside from the skating.

Well they are both extremely fast yeah, but they are also both 2nd rounders (Vermette #55 and Forms #47) so they were similarly regarded by the Sens scouts. Sure Vermette put up better junior stats but I'm talking NHL impact. Vermette has career highs of 65 and 53 points. I don't see why Forms can't be a 50 point player in his prime. He also hasn't had a chance to show what he can do in his 20 year old season so we shall see next year.

 

[BondraTime]

Well they are both extremely fast yeah, but they are also both 2nd rounders (Vermette #55 and Forms #47) so they were similarly regarded by the Sens scouts. Sure Vermette put up better junior stats but I'm talking NHL impact. Vermette has career highs of 65 and 53 points. I don't see why Forms can't be a 50 point player in his prime. He also hasn't had a chance to show what he can do in his 20 year old season so we shall see next year.

They were both second rounders, sure. Englund and Gange were as well.

Formenton has never produced points anywhere, I can't see him becoming a consistent 40 point guy in the NHL, he just doesn't see the plays well enough. He will create his chances off the rush, not many will be created in the offensive zone, where guys who put up points create their chances.

There aren't many point producing guys who create off the rush or counter attack, I can't remember any chances he created in Ottawa that weren't off the rush from his speed. (I know he's 19).

Grabner, for example, scored the same way using his speed and counterattack, and has a career high of 52 in his sophomore season, and then 40 in his best season since. He, like Formenton, will score more than he sets up.

 

[stempniaksen]

Chris Kelly's junior numbers are also better than what Formenton has been able to do so far.

I think expectations need to be reigned in a little bit when it comes to Formenton. I don't think there's any doubt he'll be an NHL player, but I question his ability to be penciled in as a top-six guy. He's obviously got the speed, but I think he's lacking in almost every other way (offensively). I think this guy is more Grabner/Kelly than a legitimate NHL scoring threat.

 

[aragorn]

I think Formenton will be a very good 3rd line LWer for this team who can move up due to injuries. I don't see him putting up 50 pts in any given season in the NHL but will certainly help with secondary scoring & defensively including on the PK. He doesn't seem like a natural playmaker or a player who can carry a line but rather as a complimentary player on any line who can score if a playmaker can get him the puck in scoring areas.

Formenton - Chlapik - Batherson would be an interesting line.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

I think Formenton will be a very good 3rd line LWer for this team who can move up due to injuries. I don't see him putting up 50 pts in any given season in the NHL but will certainly help with secondary scoring & defensively including on the PK. He doesn't seem like a natural playmaker or a player who can carry a line but rather as a complimentary player on any line who can score if a playmaker can get him the puck in scoring areas.

Formenton - Chlapik - Batherson would be an interesting line.

If we decide to invest in Pageau long term I think Formenton - Pageau will be a beautiful 3rd line duo... Norris is a good option too. He is also quick and high IQ, good at finding guys which is perfect for Formenton

 

[Do Make Say Think]

The problem aren't the expectations as much as people don't appreciate the "clearly not the best".

Formenton likely tops out as a solid bottom 6 player. That's fine, but people don't want fine, anything less than "outstanding" is a disappointment.

 

[Tuna99]

The problem aren't the expectations as much as people don't appreciate the "clearly not the best".

Formenton likely tops out as a solid bottom 6 player. That's fine, but people don't want fine, anything less than "outstanding" is a disappointment.

Ottawa ain’t going to win with elite skill, especially now that we don’t have our #1 pick this year.

The team has to build depth and players like Formenton are how you do it. Even if he ends up like a Peter Schaefer and ends up being a 40 point LW with speed and courage that’s a good player to add to your team

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

CHL Prospects game Combine testing
2019 Sherwin-Williams CHL/NHL Top Prospects Game – Sport Testing Combine Top Performers:
On-Ice Tests:
30M Forward Skate:
1 – Brett Leason (Prince Albert Raiders)
2 – Dylan Cozens (Lethbridge Hurricanes)
3 – Connor McMichael (London Knights)
30M Forward Skate with Puck:
1 – Connor McMichael (London Knights)
2 – Brett Leason (Prince Albert Raiders)
3 – Vladislav Kolyachonok (Flint Firebirds)
30M Backward Skate:
1 – Thomas Harley (Mississauga Steelheads)
2 – Samuel Bolduc (Blainville-Boisbriand Armada)
3 – Arthur Kaliyev (Hamilton Bulldogs)
30M Backward Skate with Puck:
1 – Samuel Bolduc (Blainville-Boisbriand Armada)
2 – Jake Lee (Seattle Thunderbirds)
3 – Bowen Byram (Vancouver Giants)
Reaction:
1 – Vladislav Kolyachonok (Flint Firebirds)
2 – Dylan Cozens (Lethbridge Hurricanes)
3 – Artemi Kniazev (Chicoutimi Sagueneens)
Reaction with Puck:
1 – Dylan Cozens (Lethbridge Hurricanes)
2 – Bowen Byram (Vancouver Giants)
3 – Jakob Pelletier (Moncton Wildcats)
Weave Agility:
1 – Brett Leason (Prince Albert Raiders)
2 – Dylan Cozens (Lethbridge Hurricanes)
3 – Ryan Suzuki (Barrie Colts)
Weave Agility with Puck:
1 – Brett Leason (Prince Albert Raiders)
2 – Arthur Kaliyev (Hamilton Bulldogs)
3 – Dylan Cozens (Lathbridge Hurricanes)
Transition Agility:
1 – Arthur Kaliyev (Hamilton Bulldogs)
2 – Vladislav Kolyachonok (Flint Firebirds)
3 – Philip Tomasino (Niagara IceDogs)
Transition Agility with Puck:
1 – Vladislav Kolyachonok (Flint Firebirds)
2 – Dylan Cozens (Lethbridge Hurricanes)
3 – Philip Tomasino (Niagara IceDogs)
Off-Ice Tests:
Vertical Jump:
1 – Samuel Bolduc (Blainville-Boisbriand Armada)
2 – Hunter Jones (Peterborough Petes)
3 – Artemi Kniazev (Chicoutimi Sagueneens)
Broad Jump:
1 – Hunter Jones (Peterborough Petes)
2 –Vladislav Kolyachonok (Flint Firebirds)
3 – Samuel Bolduc (Blainville-Boisbriand Armada)
3 – Dylan Cozens (Lethbridge Hurricanes)
3 – Artemi Kniazev (Chicoutimi Sagueneens)
3 – Kaedan Korczak (Kelowna Rockets)
3 – Brett Leason (Prince Albert Raiders)
3 – Connor McMichael (London Knights)
Medicine Ball Toss:
1 – Samuel Bolduc (Blainville-Boisbriand Armada)
2 – Raphael Lavoie (Halifax Mooseheads)
3 – Brett Leason (Prince Albert Raiders)
Grip Left:
1 – Dylan Cozens (Lethbridge Hurricanes)
2 – Samuel Bolduc (Blainville-Boisbriand Armada)
3 – Jake Lee (Seattle Thunderbirds)
Grip Right:
1 – Dylan Cozens (Lethbridge Hurricanes)
2 – Hunter Jones (Peterborough Petes)
3 – Kaedan Korczak (Kelowna Rockets)
Pro-Agility Left:
1 – Vladislav Kolyachonok (Flint Firebirds)
2 – Nathan Legare (Baie-Comeau Drakkar)
3 – Peyton Krebs (Kootenay ICE)
Pro-Agility Right:
1 – Samuel Poulin (Sherbrooke Phoenix)
2 – Nathan Legare (Baie-Comeau Drakkar)
3 – Peyton Krebs (Kootenay ICE)
Cozens aces testing

Cozens finished first in the on-ice testing of 10 different categories. Leason (6-4, 200), a center with Prince Albert of the WHL and No. 17 in Central Scouting's midterm rankings, finished second.
Cozens was first in reaction with puck, second in transition agility with puck, weave agility, reaction, and 30-meter forward skate, and third in weave agility with puck. Leason was first in weave agility, weave agility with puck, and 30-meter forward skate. Bolduc was first in vertical jump and medicine ball toss.

 

[BondraTime]

CHL Prospects game Combine testing
2019 Sherwin-Williams CHL/NHL Top Prospects Game – Sport Testing Combine Top Performers:
On-Ice Tests:
30M Forward Skate:
1 – Brett Leason (Prince Albert Raiders)
2 – Dylan Cozens (Lethbridge Hurricanes)
3 – Connor McMichael (London Knights)
30M Forward Skate with Puck:
1 – Connor McMichael (London Knights)
2 – Brett Leason (Prince Albert Raiders)
3 – Vladislav Kolyachonok (Flint Firebirds)
30M Backward Skate:
1 – Thomas Harley (Mississauga Steelheads)
2 – Samuel Bolduc (Blainville-Boisbriand Armada)
3 – Arthur Kaliyev (Hamilton Bulldogs)
30M Backward Skate with Puck:
1 – Samuel Bolduc (Blainville-Boisbriand Armada)
2 – Jake Lee (Seattle Thunderbirds)
3 – Bowen Byram (Vancouver Giants)
Reaction:
1 – Vladislav Kolyachonok (Flint Firebirds)
2 – Dylan Cozens (Lethbridge Hurricanes)
3 – Artemi Kniazev (Chicoutimi Sagueneens)
Reaction with Puck:
1 – Dylan Cozens (Lethbridge Hurricanes)
2 – Bowen Byram (Vancouver Giants)
3 – Jakob Pelletier (Moncton Wildcats)
Weave Agility:
1 – Brett Leason (Prince Albert Raiders)
2 – Dylan Cozens (Lethbridge Hurricanes)
3 – Ryan Suzuki (Barrie Colts)
Weave Agility with Puck:
1 – Brett Leason (Prince Albert Raiders)
2 – Arthur Kaliyev (Hamilton Bulldogs)
3 – Dylan Cozens (Lathbridge Hurricanes)
Transition Agility:
1 – Arthur Kaliyev (Hamilton Bulldogs)
2 – Vladislav Kolyachonok (Flint Firebirds)
3 – Philip Tomasino (Niagara IceDogs)
Transition Agility with Puck:
1 – Vladislav Kolyachonok (Flint Firebirds)
2 – Dylan Cozens (Lethbridge Hurricanes)
3 – Philip Tomasino (Niagara IceDogs)
Off-Ice Tests:
Vertical Jump:
1 – Samuel Bolduc (Blainville-Boisbriand Armada)
2 – Hunter Jones (Peterborough Petes)
3 – Artemi Kniazev (Chicoutimi Sagueneens)
Broad Jump:
1 – Hunter Jones (Peterborough Petes)
2 –Vladislav Kolyachonok (Flint Firebirds)
3 – Samuel Bolduc (Blainville-Boisbriand Armada)
3 – Dylan Cozens (Lethbridge Hurricanes)
3 – Artemi Kniazev (Chicoutimi Sagueneens)
3 – Kaedan Korczak (Kelowna Rockets)
3 – Brett Leason (Prince Albert Raiders)
3 – Connor McMichael (London Knights)
Medicine Ball Toss:
1 – Samuel Bolduc (Blainville-Boisbriand Armada)
2 – Raphael Lavoie (Halifax Mooseheads)
3 – Brett Leason (Prince Albert Raiders)
Grip Left:
1 – Dylan Cozens (Lethbridge Hurricanes)
2 – Samuel Bolduc (Blainville-Boisbriand Armada)
3 – Jake Lee (Seattle Thunderbirds)
Grip Right:
1 – Dylan Cozens (Lethbridge Hurricanes)
2 – Hunter Jones (Peterborough Petes)
3 – Kaedan Korczak (Kelowna Rockets)
Pro-Agility Left:
1 – Vladislav Kolyachonok (Flint Firebirds)
2 – Nathan Legare (Baie-Comeau Drakkar)
3 – Peyton Krebs (Kootenay ICE)
Pro-Agility Right:
1 – Samuel Poulin (Sherbrooke Phoenix)
2 – Nathan Legare (Baie-Comeau Drakkar)
3 – Peyton Krebs (Kootenay ICE)

Cozens is an absolute machine, he's going to be a monster #1 C. Would kill to have him here.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Cozens is an absolute machine, he's going to be a monster #1 C. Would kill to have him here.

You and me both. He will be a force for whoever drafts him. I'd probably take him #2 in 2018 and #3 in 2019.

 

[Samboni]

You and me both. He will be a force for whoever drafts him. I'd probably take him #2 in 2018 and #3 in 2019.

Sorry but I don’t follow much hockey other than the Sens. Does the kid have a lot of offensive upside?

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Sorry but I don’t follow much hockey other than the Sens. Does the kid have a lot of offensive upside?

Yeah definitely high end point producer and scorer but he can also excel in all situations

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

1 – Connor Mc....Michael (London Knights)

WT...... oh nvm

 

[stempniaksen]

CHL Prospects game Combine testing
2019 Sherwin-Williams CHL/NHL Top Prospects Game – Sport Testing Combine Top Performers:
On-Ice Tests:
30M Forward Skate:
1 – Brett Leason (Prince Albert Raiders)
2 – Dylan Cozens (Lethbridge Hurricanes)
3 – Connor McMichael (London Knights)
30M Forward Skate with Puck:
1 – Connor McMichael (London Knights)
2 – Brett Leason (Prince Albert Raiders)
3 – Vladislav Kolyachonok (Flint Firebirds)
30M Backward Skate:
1 – Thomas Harley (Mississauga Steelheads)
2 – Samuel Bolduc (Blainville-Boisbriand Armada)
3 – Arthur Kaliyev (Hamilton Bulldogs)
30M Backward Skate with Puck:
1 – Samuel Bolduc (Blainville-Boisbriand Armada)
2 – Jake Lee (Seattle Thunderbirds)
3 – Bowen Byram (Vancouver Giants)
Reaction:
1 – Vladislav Kolyachonok (Flint Firebirds)
2 – Dylan Cozens (Lethbridge Hurricanes)
3 – Artemi Kniazev (Chicoutimi Sagueneens)
Reaction with Puck:
1 – Dylan Cozens (Lethbridge Hurricanes)
2 – Bowen Byram (Vancouver Giants)
3 – Jakob Pelletier (Moncton Wildcats)
Weave Agility:
1 – Brett Leason (Prince Albert Raiders)
2 – Dylan Cozens (Lethbridge Hurricanes)
3 – Ryan Suzuki (Barrie Colts)
Weave Agility with Puck:
1 – Brett Leason (Prince Albert Raiders)
2 – Arthur Kaliyev (Hamilton Bulldogs)
3 – Dylan Cozens (Lathbridge Hurricanes)
Transition Agility:
1 – Arthur Kaliyev (Hamilton Bulldogs)
2 – Vladislav Kolyachonok (Flint Firebirds)
3 – Philip Tomasino (Niagara IceDogs)
Transition Agility with Puck:
1 – Vladislav Kolyachonok (Flint Firebirds)
2 – Dylan Cozens (Lethbridge Hurricanes)
3 – Philip Tomasino (Niagara IceDogs)
Off-Ice Tests:
Vertical Jump:
1 – Samuel Bolduc (Blainville-Boisbriand Armada)
2 – Hunter Jones (Peterborough Petes)
3 – Artemi Kniazev (Chicoutimi Sagueneens)
Broad Jump:
1 – Hunter Jones (Peterborough Petes)
2 –Vladislav Kolyachonok (Flint Firebirds)
3 – Samuel Bolduc (Blainville-Boisbriand Armada)
3 – Dylan Cozens (Lethbridge Hurricanes)
3 – Artemi Kniazev (Chicoutimi Sagueneens)
3 – Kaedan Korczak (Kelowna Rockets)
3 – Brett Leason (Prince Albert Raiders)
3 – Connor McMichael (London Knights)
Medicine Ball Toss:
1 – Samuel Bolduc (Blainville-Boisbriand Armada)
2 – Raphael Lavoie (Halifax Mooseheads)
3 – Brett Leason (Prince Albert Raiders)
Grip Left:
1 – Dylan Cozens (Lethbridge Hurricanes)
2 – Samuel Bolduc (Blainville-Boisbriand Armada)
3 – Jake Lee (Seattle Thunderbirds)
Grip Right:
1 – Dylan Cozens (Lethbridge Hurricanes)
2 – Hunter Jones (Peterborough Petes)
3 – Kaedan Korczak (Kelowna Rockets)
Pro-Agility Left:
1 – Vladislav Kolyachonok (Flint Firebirds)
2 – Nathan Legare (Baie-Comeau Drakkar)
3 – Peyton Krebs (Kootenay ICE)
Pro-Agility Right:
1 – Samuel Poulin (Sherbrooke Phoenix)
2 – Nathan Legare (Baie-Comeau Drakkar)
3 – Peyton Krebs (Kootenay ICE)
Cozens aces testing

Cozens finished first in the on-ice testing of 10 different categories. Leason (6-4, 200), a center with Prince Albert of the WHL and No. 17 in Central Scouting's midterm rankings, finished second.
Cozens was first in reaction with puck, second in transition agility with puck, weave agility, reaction, and 30-meter forward skate, and third in weave agility with puck. Leason was first in weave agility, weave agility with puck, and 30-meter forward skate. Bolduc was first in vertical jump and medicine ball toss.

We're not gonna get into Cozens range unfortunately, but all this does is re-assure me that we need to find a way to go and get Brett Leason.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

We're not gonna get into Cozens range unfortunately, but all this does is re-assure me that we need to find a way to go and get Brett Leason.

I would not mind if they could get Leason with a later 1st or early 2nd. He is 2 years older than Cozens just an fyi

 

[stempniaksen]

I would not mind if they could get Leason with a later 1st or early 2nd. He is 2 years older than Cozens just an fyi

Yeah, I know he's the exception and not the rule being 20 and already being passed over twice. I'm just super impressed every time I watch him. We're also (probably) going to be able to get (at least) a late 1st for any of of Stone/Duchene/Dzingel and he'll probably go in that range. I'm honestly impressed with him enough to have him in my top-15 for this draft, but a GM would have to have some brass balls to take a double overager that high.

 

[edguy]

Charlottetown Islanders Honouring the PEI Senators tonight.
Jerseys are so beautiful.

 

[Bileur]

I see a lot of Jason Chimera when I look at Formenton.

Hopefully he can develop into something better offensively but that is who he reminds me of. Wouldn’t be a bad career either.

 

[mianjo]

Kelly 1g 1a in 1st period

 

[Sens of Anarchy]