Tampa Bay is really ****ing the East up for everyone else. Are they going to wake up and fire off a 10-0 winning streak? Are they going to stay terrible? If they decide to start winning there's one less playoff spot to battle for. If they continue to play the way they are there are two possibly three available spots.
Speculation: 2017 Trade Deadline Discussion (Buy/Sell, Rumors, Trades, Scouts, etc.)
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Guys I want traded that won't be:
Gorges: He's bad, and probably has value around the league. Just like Montreal realized...
Lehner/Nilsson: I'd prefer Lehner since he's played well and they can 'undo' the stupid trade, but trading either will do. Nilsson is highly unlikely to continue his pace this year. If they can get a 3rd or so for him, heck yeah.
Gionta: If he's really "Mr. Team Leader", then he can accept a team-friendly short extension. If not, get whatever you can for him.
Gorges: He's bad, and probably has value around the league. Just like Montreal realized...
Lehner/Nilsson: I'd prefer Lehner since he's played well and they can 'undo' the stupid trade, but trading either will do. Nilsson is highly unlikely to continue his pace this year. If they can get a 3rd or so for him, heck yeah.
Gionta: If he's really "Mr. Team Leader", then he can accept a team-friendly short extension. If not, get whatever you can for him.
Logically it's best, imo as a stone cold critic, to trade Franson, Kulikov, and Gionta if he wants. I don't see Gionta or the team wanting that though. They will value the chance to get playoff experience and send the message of trying to win to the young guys. I can see that. So while I doubt TM sells off those vets, I more highly doubt he will buy any players for a short run. So I don't expect much action on the TDL for us.
If we are in a playoff spot with a couple points lead or games in hand then I would be ok with buying for need although I doubt there is anything out there we could get that is worthwhile for what we would pay. So Kulikov, Franson, Ennis, DesLaurier, Larsson, Gionta, Jorges, Fedun and Falk are all available at the right price. Realistically 2 Fs and 2 Ds for picks would be a job well done. A second plus for Kulikov, a third for Larsson, Gionta, Jorges, whatever for the rest. I keep Kane unless there is hockey trade to be made.
If they stay in the race by the time the trade deadline comes around, selling sends the wrong message to the players IMO. It tells the team that management has given up on them.
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If they are in the hunt....I don't see them making any significant trade for a rental. They could do a deal like they trade Franson to team X then acquire a Dman from team Y.
This is not the season tfor them to sell off stuff since even if they make the playoffs they aren't in contention for a cup.
If they fade are are farther back then he moves Gionta and Franson and listends for offers on Kane where Bufflao retians the max amount making him free for the acquired team the rest of the season
I don't see taker for Ennis and Moulson. better shot in offseason with expansion draft and offering 50% retention.
being a bubble playoff team he will still ask Gionta if he wants to be moved to a serious cup contender. Even if Buffalo makes the playoffs they aren't winning the cup.
Franson could be traded--it depends on injuries and trade offer
Kulikov--not likely moved. I see TM holding on to him and try to sign him post expansion draft
Not if its to a Stanley cup contender. I don't know if Gionta feels this will be his last year or if Buffalo have talked to him about coming back next year on a lower contract ($2.5M)
This is not the season tfor them to sell off stuff since even if they make the playoffs they aren't in contention for a cup.
If they fade are are farther back then he moves Gionta and Franson and listends for offers on Kane where Bufflao retians the max amount making him free for the acquired team the rest of the season
I don't see taker for Ennis and Moulson. better shot in offseason with expansion draft and offering 50% retention.
being a bubble playoff team he will still ask Gionta if he wants to be moved to a serious cup contender. Even if Buffalo makes the playoffs they aren't winning the cup.
Franson could be traded--it depends on injuries and trade offer
Kulikov--not likely moved. I see TM holding on to him and try to sign him post expansion draft
Not if its to a Stanley cup contender. I don't know if Gionta feels this will be his last year or if Buffalo have talked to him about coming back next year on a lower contract ($2.5M)
Djp
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As it stands now I see 2 playoff spots in play---3rd in division and 2nd WC. I think Toronto fades while Ottawa is still there. I don't see PIT/CBS/WAS/NYR fading and thus bringing another WC spot into it.
A hot streak by TB could give them fals optimism thinking they are playoff bound then fade later.
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Like others said, we have to wait some weeks to see where we are.
Then it always depends on the price, offers should be good if it is a sellers market, but no reason to sell for cheap early.
Then it always depends on the price, offers should be good if it is a sellers market, but no reason to sell for cheap early.
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I'll tell you what I want. I want my cake and to eat it too.
I want to dump ANY of Georges, Gionta, Franson, DesLaurier, Larsson. I know, those listed don't have much value. I would include kane and Kuli in more of a hockey trade. And THEN I also want to make the playoffs. There is a chance it could happen. Give more minutes to the youngins and watch them go on a tear.
I want to dump ANY of Georges, Gionta, Franson, DesLaurier, Larsson. I know, those listed don't have much value. I would include kane and Kuli in more of a hockey trade. And THEN I also want to make the playoffs. There is a chance it could happen. Give more minutes to the youngins and watch them go on a tear.
If he's traded or not I see Gionta back next year either way, on a good deal. I'm not sure I understand the dislike for him. He's top 5 on the team in goals, assists, and points, he doesn't miss games, he plays where needed, and he gives an honest effort.
I could see him getting even a second at the deadline with a handshake agreement to come back for a good deal next year. It would be a win-win. Unless we're really playing well at the TDL.
I could see him getting even a second at the deadline with a handshake agreement to come back for a good deal next year. It would be a win-win. Unless we're really playing well at the TDL.
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I'd trade Kane in the ofseason gor a Dman like Fowler or brodin.
The issue is the salary cap. If Ennis and Moulson are still on the team for 18/19 season then buffalo will be very close to the cap after signing Eichel, Reinhart, other kid RFAS to bridges and 1-2 vet dmen AND Well As lehner.
If they can move Ennis and moulson are off 18/19 then they could resign Kane.
Ideally you want 4/7 of cap on forwards snd rest on D/G.
Matt Ress
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Sit still unless something hits you over the head. Vegas will be the big cat to get scratched this summer with the draft rules being D friendly. They'll be looking for forwards with an abundance of NHLish D men.
E: 4th line boost would be cheap and beneficial
E: 4th line boost would be cheap and beneficial
Also posted this in roster speculation, but...
If he keeps this up (7points in 11 games since Larsson's injury), does Girgensons stay over Larsson? I feel like these two are battling constantly for that 3rd line center spot.
Although if we eventually want an Eichel-O'Reilly-Reinhart spine, Larsson would seem to make more sense as a 4th line center.
Or is Girgensons recent success (points), partially due to being on a line with a white hot Evander Kane?
I really do believe this is the off-season where one of Larsson/Girgensons is dealt.
Maybe could even see Larsson dealt to a team that's not looking to do much (Arizona), kind of how we received an injured Kane as part of the Winnipeg trade (I realize no one is really tanking like the past two years)? Just throwing out random thoughts.
If he keeps this up (7points in 11 games since Larsson's injury), does Girgensons stay over Larsson? I feel like these two are battling constantly for that 3rd line center spot.
Although if we eventually want an Eichel-O'Reilly-Reinhart spine, Larsson would seem to make more sense as a 4th line center.
Or is Girgensons recent success (points), partially due to being on a line with a white hot Evander Kane?
I really do believe this is the off-season where one of Larsson/Girgensons is dealt.
Maybe could even see Larsson dealt to a team that's not looking to do much (Arizona), kind of how we received an injured Kane as part of the Winnipeg trade (I realize no one is really tanking like the past two years)? Just throwing out random thoughts.
Or we could call up two of the leading goal scorers in the AHL.
I'd bring up 3 ahlers after he deadline and play them altogether...baptiste-dupuy-bailey for a 4th line.
Dupuy might go on a grant-esque goalless streak but he'd at least entertain me.
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Agreed. Run larsson at 4c if you must...he'll they should've wizened up when he was healthy and did that anyways instead of us now going a full year with Grant and Cal on our roster. 4c is the second biggest hole on this team outside of a top 2 dman
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