Speculation: 2017 Offseason Roster Discussion IV - Langkow's Revenge

[XX]

I understand the Bruins have interest in acquiring Dvorak, but who are they going to offer with McAvoy? Pastrnak? Let 'em go after Duchene! Spooner ain't getting Dvorak.

Every team in the league has interest in Dvorak. Some completely random person on twitter isn't worth worrying about.

 

[Jamieh]

I would highly doubt that claim.

Every team in the league has interest in Dvorak. Some completely random person on twitter isn't worth worrying about.

 

[XX]

I would highly doubt that claim.

Which organization wouldn't take a free Dvorak?

Let me guess... Toronto?

 

[rt]

I would highly doubt that claim.

I think you must've quoted the wrong post. On the topic of quoting, the reply typically goes under the quote on this forum. Pro tip.

 

[yazmybaby]

I understand the Bruins have interest in acquiring Dvorak, but who are they going to offer with McAvoy? Pastrnak? Let 'em go after Duchene! Spooner ain't getting Dvorak.

Why would the Bruins trade a potential #1 pairing dee or their first line RW for a player that scored 33 points last year, while playing 15 mins plus a night?

I would think Spooner and one of our many AHL prospects is enough to get him.

 

[XX]

Why would the Bruins trade a potential #1 pairing dee or their first line RW for a player that scored 33 points last year, while playing 15 mins plus a night?

I would think Spooner and one of our many AHL prospects is enough to get him.

You don't want him? Great. We'll keep the 21 year old center. You can take Spooner and go after Duchene, shouldn't be much of a gap between the two with the way you guys describe him.

 

[PhoPhan]

What other forwards do we have that have scored (or could score) 41 points? Domi? a re-kindled Duclair? possibly Rieder (if he gets lucky)? Avoiding the sophomore slump Perlini or Dvorak?

It's not a matter of absolute production. The opportunity cost needs to be considered. Thomas Vanek played about 180 minutes on the powerplay last year. Those would be wasted minutes in Arizona.

He's a powerplay specialist at this point in his career. At even strength, he's going to produce at probably a 3rd line rate, especially if he's got someone like Martinook or Richardson as his center. He can generate value on the powerplay, but to do so, he's going to need to get significant powerplay time. Every second he spends on the powerplay is a second one of the young guns is pinned to the bench. There are at minimum six forwards for the first two powerplay units, and I want to see Domi, Duclair, Dvorak, Strome, Fischer, Perlini, and Keller all getting time this year, not to mention Rieder and Stepan. Maybe Crouse or even Merkley too.

 

[XX]

What other forwards do we have that have scored (or could score) 41 points? Domi? a re-kindled Duclair? possibly Rieder (if he gets lucky)? Avoiding the sophomore slump Perlini or Dvorak?

Vanek straight up doesn't play defense at this point in his career, and he was never a workaholic to begin with. He'd be a waste of a spot.

 

[Jamieh]

Yeah that's what you meant, everyone would take him for free???

Which organization wouldn't take a free Dvorak?

Let me guess... Toronto?

 

[Jamieh]

My device does the post on top automatically??

I think you must've quoted the wrong post. On the topic of quoting, the reply typically goes under the quote on this forum. Pro tip.

 

[XX]

Yeah that's what you meant, everyone would take him for free???

Yes. Everyone in the league would have interest at a certain price. I'm willing to bet that every team in the league, regardless of their current roster situation, would give up at least a 2nd round pick for him, probably more. So when teams constantly ask about him and he is involved in rumors, it isn't surprising or anything to be worried about. He's a desirable young player. Duclair's value is so low that he is in the same situation. Every team would take him at a low enough price, so they sniff around.

 

[Jamieh]

At least a quarter of teams in the Nhl have never asked and would have zero use for Dvorak right now. And you mentioned the Leafs, where do you think he would play there and why would they be interested?

Yes. Everyone in the league would have interest at a certain price. I'm willing to bet that every team in the league, regardless of their current roster situation, would give up at least a 2nd round pick for him, probably more. So when teams constantly ask about him and he is involved in rumors, it isn't surprising or anything to be worried about. He's a desirable young player. Duclair's value is so low that he is in the same situation. Every team would take him at a low enough price, so they sniff around.

 

[Jamieh]

Thanks for the info. My reasoning was incorrect but my answer still is correct that the Leafs have no Cap issue.

Again, you're misunderstanding. Let me break down what Cap Friendly says:


The most important language here is "injured during training camp". The actual CBA language itself says "who becomes disabled during Training Camp, or who reports to Training Camp disabled as the result of a hockey related injured incurred during the off-season". In other words SOIR does not apply to injuries that occurred during a prior hockey season. i.e. Horton and Lupul.



Now this section. Horton and Lupul are on 1-way contracts. The team can put them on LTIR. Stop here, do not proceed any further when evaluating Horton and Lupul.



These are the players that qualify for SOIR. Players on 2-way contracts who accrued less then 50 NHL games the prior season. Note: accrued is not the same as games played. A player receives credit for an accrued game if they were on the active roster, or on IR as a result of an hockey related injury.



This is an extension of the previous paragraph. Players on 2-way contracts who were injured during training camp or the offseason, and who did not accrue any NHL games last season have no cap hit while they are on SOIR.

 

[XX]

At least a quarter of teams in the Nhl have never asked and would have zero use for Dvorak right now. And you mentioned the Leafs, where do you think he would play there and why would they be interested?

I don't know...

At least a quarter of teams in the Nhl have never asked and would have zero use for Dvorak right now.

That's so laughably wrong.

 

[RemoAZ]

We probably over value Dvo because he's our player but he's still a top prospect any team would love to have. That's definitely not an exaggeration.

 

[Jamieh]

Right now the Leafs have Matthews, Kadri, Nylander, and Bozak who can all play center. Bozak will be leaving in the next year and Nylander might get the chance at center. Right now that would put Dvorak as 3rd or 4th line, the Leafs would have zero interest in trading anything for that player.

I don't know...

That's so laughably wrong.

 

[Ebb]

There are at minimum six forwards for the first two powerplay units, and I want to see Domi, Duclair, Dvorak, Strome, Fischer, Perlini, and Keller all getting time this year, not to mention Rieder and Stepan. Maybe Crouse or even Merkley too.

Well, I don't think Keller will be up full-time (maybe 20 games) and am guessing Strome will only play about 50% of the Coyotes games, so Vanek would be fine. Don't get me wrong, I'd like to find another forward that can score more than 45 points in the season (whether as a PP specialist or even strength), but they ain't out there without having to give up too much. I also don't see Fischer or Crouse playing on the PP (I haven't looked up any fancy stats). Merkley needs to stay in Tucson.

 

[Jamieh]

You think a team with 2 or 3 centers at least as good as Dvorak would give up assets to get him? No chance.

We probably over value Dvo because he's our player but he's still a top prospect any team would love to have. That's definitely not an exaggeration.

 

[RemoAZ]

Crouse and Fischer should be incorporated into the PP. They are the big bodies to replace Hanzal and Doan around the net.

 

[XX]

Right now the Leafs have Matthews, Kadri, Nylander, and Bozak who can all play center. Bozak will be leaving in the next year and Nylander might get the chance at center. Right now that would put Dvorak as 3rd or 4th line, the Leafs would have zero interest in trading anything for that player.

He's 21. You wouldn't give up a 2nd round pick for him? I bet that's a real popular opinion on the Leafs board

 

[rt]

My device does the post on top automatically??

You're the only one. I won't have to worry about it anymore.

 

[Jamieh]

Again I was just assuming you meant actually a trade of value. And I'm sure you knew that.

He's 21. You wouldn't give up a 2nd round pick for him? I bet that's a real popular opinion on the Leafs board

 

[XX]

Again I was just assuming you meant actually a trade of value. And I'm sure you knew that.

Your entire nonsensical retort to my post was based around "I (Jamieh) doubt other teams would be interested in him."

Every other team in the league would be interested in him at a given price. All GMs will ask. That does not mean they hope to trade half the farm for the guy, just that they value him in trade because he's a quality asset. It's really simple.

 

[PhoPhan]

Right now the Leafs have Matthews, Kadri, Nylander, and Bozak who can all play center. Bozak will be leaving in the next year and Nylander might get the chance at center. Right now that would put Dvorak as 3rd or 4th line, the Leafs would have zero interest in trading anything for that player.

The Wild gave up a 1st, a 2nd and a 4th for two months of Martin Hanzal playing 3rd line center. Those Maple Leafs gave up a 2nd round pick for two months of Brian Boyle playing 4th line center. The Bruins gave up a 3rd rounder for ****ing Zac Rinaldo.

Every team might have a different valuation, but I'd be shocked if any team, regardless of depth, wouldn't give up something of value for six more seasons of Christian Dvorak.

 

[Jamieh]

No, it as based around the premise that every team would be interested in him.

Your entire nonsensical retort to my post was based around "I (Jamieh) doubt other teams would be interested in him."

Every other team in the league would be interested in him at a given price. All GMs will ask. That does not mean they hope to trade half the farm for the guy, just that they value him in trade because he's a quality asset. It's really simple.