Speculation: 2017 Offseason Roster Discussion IV - Langkow's Revenge

[TheLegend]

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[Summer Rose]

Okay, so what am I missing so that Langkow got two threads named after him?

 

[RABBIT]

Okay, so what am I missing so that Langkow got two threads named after him?

The Coyotes traded their 1st round draft pick (Jeff Carter) in the biggest draft the last 2 centuries (2003) for Daymond Langkow.

rt was in an anxiety ridden mindset thinking that trade may have been the epitome of this offseason as well.

 

[_Del_]

That 1st AND a 2nd the yr before...

 

[AZviaNJ]

Thoughts about Bozak? Could fill a dual C/RW need. Great FO guy, too.

 

[Summer Rose]

The Coyotes traded their 1st round draft pick (Jeff Carter) in the biggest draft the last 2 centuries (2003) for Daymond Langkow.

rt was in an anxiety ridden mindset thinking that trade may have been the epitome of this offseason as well.

I don't remember this happening at all for some reason.

Then again I only started watching hockey in 2001-02 so after a single year I didn't really understand how the draft or trades really worked yet. I also have a vague memory of Todd Simpson (who I decided was my favorite player at first ) complaining in a newspaper article about being exposed for the pre-season waiver draft once, which no longer exists.

Good times.

 

[_Del_]

I miss the waiver draft even though it was mostly uneventful.

 

[rt]

Thoughts about Bozak? Could fill a dual C/RW need. Great FO guy, too.

Reluctant to pay RHC acquisition cost to put him at RW. Also, he probably won't be too cheap to acquire and is UFA in a year.

 

[XX]

Reluctant to pay RHC acquisition cost to put him at RW. Also, he probably won't be too cheap to acquire and is UFA in a year.

Toronto has to be under the cap by the start of the season and he's the odd man out.

 

[rt]

Toronto has to be under the cap by the start of the season and he's the odd man out.

If you can get him cheap get him. Obviously. But I'd set a firm cap on price, there. He's one and done here.

 

[AZviaNJ]

If you can get him cheap get him. Obviously. But I'd set a firm cap on price, there. He's one and done here.

We have 5 picks in the first 3 rounds of 2018 draft.

Minn 2nd + Calgary 5th for Bozak?

 

[IPreferPi]

Not interested in Bozak now that we have Stepan in tow.

 

[XX]

We have 5 picks in the first 3 rounds of 2018 draft.

The Calgary pick is 2019 and the Coyotes lost their 2018 2nd to Florida. Only 3 picks. Capfriendly is your friend.

 

[Matias Maccete]

Unless Richardson is done I don't think we need Bozak. Maybe if Strome is starting in the AHL and Richardson can't play.

Otherwise that's Stepan, Dvorak, Strome, Cousins, Richardson, and Bozak. Cousins has lots of experience at wing but I thought Chayka mentioned him playing C, and while Richardson could play wing is Bozak that much of an upgrade? If we want Strome the minors and the cost is very very low I'm in, otherswise I don't see the point.

 

[TheLegend]

Okay, so what am I missing so that Langkow got two threads named after him?

He had two stints with the Coyotes...... last one was the WCF year. Traded Lee Stempniak for him then.

 

[AZviaNJ]

The Calgary pick is 2019 and the Coyotes lost their 2018 2nd to Florida. Only 3 picks. Capfriendly is your friend.

Yup, I was looking at a different site.

 

[Jamieh]

They dont have to do anything to be Cap compliant as they are already there, the LTIR guys who didn't play any games last year don't count so that's Lupul and Horton for the Leafs. There Cap situation is fine.And Bozak doesn't play wing, never has.

Toronto has to be under the cap by the start of the season and he's the odd man out.

 

[WrinkledPossum]

With adding Stepan there isn't really a spot for Bozak. If we're wanting a RW we could sign Vanek. If we start the season and realize that Strome isn't NHL ready then trading for Bozak would make sense. Then if Strome improves enough in the AHL, flip Bozak for picks at the deadline.

 

[mouser]

Toronto has to be under the cap by the start of the season and he's the odd man out.

Toronto doesn't have to get under the cap for day 1 of the regular season. Teams can use the LTIR exception on the final day of training camp instead of waiting till the start of the regular season, however the amount of cap relief gained differs based on which option they choose.

Teams are usually better off being compliant on day 1, but I don't think it matters for Toronto unless they do something crazy to add a lot more salary. They can LTIR one of Lupul/Horton on the last day of training camp, then LTIR the other whenever necessary during the regular season and be fine with their current roster and re-signing Brown.

They dont have to do anything to be Cap compliant as they are already there, the LTIR guys who didn't play any games last year don't count so that's Lupul and Horton for the Leafs. There Cap situation is fine.And Bozak doesn't play wing, never has.

That's not quite accurate how LTIR works. They do count, it's the mechanics of how and when the LTIR exceptions are exercised that determine how much they count against the cap. It's almost never 100% relief in practice.

 

[Jamieh]

SOIR covers players who didn't play any games last year, and they don't count against the Cap. Here is a piece from the CBA that addresses it.


What is the season opening injured reserve (SOIR)?
If a player is injured during training-camp, they can be placed on season-opening injured reserve, to possibly obtain cap relief. It is notable that the SOIR equations are not the same as the daily rate equations in CBA 15.6, which is instead used to calculate the players daily salary (as opposed to cap hit).

Full Cap Hit
Players who are on a one-way contract, or players on a two-way contract who accrued 50 or more NHL games in the previous season count fully against the cap hit. Teams can opt to place these players on LTIR to obtain cap-relief (LTIR FAQ).

Discounted Cap Hit
Players on a two-way contract, who accrued 1-49 NHL games in the previous season, count against the teams cap hit; however, the reduced cap hit is calculated as follows:
Multiply the players NHL cap hit by the total accrued NHL days in the previous season, and divide by the total number of days in the previous season (Ex: 186 for 2014-15)

When a player is reactivated to the active roster, their cap hit reverts back to the full rate

Full cap relief
Players who did not accrue any NHL games in the previous season, can be placed on SOIR and do not count against their teams cap hit.

Toronto doesn't have to get under the cap for day 1 of the regular season. Teams can use the LTIR exception on the final day of training camp instead of waiting till the start of the regular season, however the amount of cap relief gained differs based on which option they choose.

Teams are usually better off being compliant on day 1, but I don't think it matters for Toronto unless they do something crazy to add a lot more salary. They can LTIR one of Lupul/Horton on the last day of training camp, then LTIR the other whenever necessary during the regular season and be fine with their current roster and re-signing Brown.



That's not quite accurate how LTIR works. They do count, it's the mechanics of how and when the LTIR exceptions are exercised that determine how much they count against the cap. It's almost never 100% relief in practice.

 

[mouser]

SOIR covers players who didn't play any games last year, and they don't count against the Cap. Here is a piece from the CBA that addresses it.

What is the season opening injured reserve (SOIR)?
If a player is injured during training-camp, they can be placed on season-opening injured reserve, to possibly obtain cap relief. It is notable that the SOIR equations are not the same as the daily rate equations in CBA 15.6, which is instead used to calculate the players daily salary (as opposed to cap hit).

That's not direct language from the CBA and easily misunderstood. I've seen it posted a few times now on different forums.

SOIR handles how to deal with cap hits of injured players who weren't on the NHL Roster 100% of the previous season. Players injured during training camp or coming into training camp injured who were only on the NHL Roster a portion of the previous regular season can have their cap hits discounted while on Injured Reserve to a pro-rated % equal to the % of days they spent on the NHL roster during that last regular season.

Players like Horton and Lupul were on the Leafs' NHL Roster 100% of last season. They were on the Injured Reserve rather then the Active Roster, but that still counts as being on the NHL Roster. SOIR doesn't apply to them.

 

[Jamieh]

It's from Cap Friendly and clearly states that a player who played zero games last season are able to be placed on SOIR and don't count against a team's salary Cap. I believe they are correct but either way the Leafs don't presently have a Cap issue and don't need to dump anyone.

That's not direct language from the CBA and easily misunderstood. I've seen it posted a few times now on different forums.

SOIR handles how to deal with cap hits of injured players who weren't on the NHL Roster 100% of the previous season. Players injured during training camp or coming into training camp injured who were only on the NHL Roster a portion of the previous regular season can have their cap hits discounted while on Injured Reserve to a pro-rated % equal to the % of days they spent on the NHL roster during that last regular season.

Players like Horton and Lupul were on the Leafs' NHL Roster 100% of last season. They were on the Injured Reserve rather then the Active Roster, but that still counts as being on the NHL Roster. SOIR doesn't apply to them.

 

[Jakey53]

With adding Stepan there isn't really a spot for Bozak. If we're wanting a RW we could sign Vanek. If we start the season and realize that Strome isn't NHL ready then trading for Bozak would make sense. Then if Strome improves enough in the AHL, flip Bozak for picks at the deadline.

Doesn't Vanek play LW? I don't want Bozak as I think Strome will make the team.

 

[Mosby]

I'd pass on Vanek. Don't know if you're getting good Vanek or lazy Vanek.

 

[PhoPhan]

Vanek at this point in his career is a powerplay specialist. I'd rather give that slot to one of the young guys. We need a good two-way ES guy, probably a veteran on the downslope of his career. Someone like Loui Eriksson would be ideal if he didn't have five years still remaining on that massive contract.